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PostSubject: Finding cranckcase sensor connector   Mon 25 Mar 2013, 19:37

Hello to all of you guys,

as I am new here, i read a lot from this forum and learn so many useful things for me like owner of Honda FJS600 silver wings 2004 year model!

Few days ago I have accident with my keys, somebody stole my key from ignition lock and since than I have no peace!

I do not know thief intention so I must be careful...I have one key left, and I want to make few new copies, but first I need to remove ignition barrel to take it to local locksmith to make some change on the pins so I can be sure that thief can not do anything with stolen key!

Second, I found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db0ee6u7CjQ
and decide to do it by my self, to program new transponder chips...but I need yours help..

I cant find anywhere where is that access to ECU over that connector from crankcase sensor??

Please help needed, picture with description how to get to it will be the best for me!?

Thank you all in front...
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PostSubject: Re: Finding cranckcase sensor connector   Mon 25 Mar 2013, 20:20

sxnin,
For now I would start using a brake lock. A simple pad lock using one of the holes on the front brake disc will prevent someone from moving/taking your bike. I would suggest that if you do the brake lock, that you also attach a colorful cord to the lock and secure the other end to your handle bars to remind you that you need to undo the brake lock before moving your bike.
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PostSubject: Re: Finding cranckcase sensor connector   Mon 25 Mar 2013, 22:55

There is no "crankshaft position sensor" listed for US versions of the SW --either in the Service Manual or shown on the wiring diagram. We don't have the HISS system here.

However there is an "Ignition Pulse Generator" which is driven off the crankshaft on the right side at/near the flywheel. That may be the item you are trying to locate.

Removing the right side passenger foot rest will expose the wire harness connectors for the alternator stator (black 3 wire connector) and the ignition pulse generator. The ignition pulse generator connector is a red 2 wire connector with one Yellow wire leading to the (light gray) connector on the ECM module and one White/Yellow wire going to ground (earth).

It appears as if the wiring color codes & connector color are the same as in the You Tube video. So maybe you are in luck.

Please let us know if this helps and if you have been able to reprogram your HISS system. There are others here on the forum who can benefit from your experience.

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PostSubject: Re: Finding cranckcase sensor connector   Tue 26 Mar 2013, 05:03

Cosmic_Jumper wrote:
There is no "crankshaft position sensor" listed for US versions of the SW --either in the Service Manual or shown on the wiring diagram. We don't have the HISS system here.

However there is an "Ignition Pulse Generator" which is driven off the crankshaft on the right side at/near the flywheel. That may be the item you are trying to locate.

Removing the right side passenger foot rest will expose the wire harness connectors for the alternator stator (black 3 wire connector) and the ignition pulse generator. The ignition pulse generator connector is a red 2 wire connector with one Yellow wire leading to the (light gray) connector on the ECM module and one White/Yellow wire going to ground (earth).

It appears as if the wiring color codes & connector color are the same as in the You Tube video. So maybe you are in luck.

Please let us know if this helps and if you have been able to reprogram your HISS system. There are others here on the forum who can benefit from your experience.

Tim

Hello Tim,

thanks for quick response..

Hmm, this look to me little bit fetched, but as you say maybe I am in luck :-) ....

I must be sure as I can be about this wires...my silverwing has HISS system, but I am not sure for that part about "crankshaft position sensor" and "Ignition Pulse Generator" , is this same wiring or what, I would appreciated if someone else can give opinion about this, or you can little bit more investigate and be, I don't know, 95% sure about this!?

Of course I will let everybody know does this help me and how-that is point of all this--> to share!!
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PostSubject: Re: Finding cranckcase sensor connector   Tue 26 Mar 2013, 11:14

You will probably need to check with an authorized Honda service shop regarding the location of the Crankshaft Position Sensor and the wiring harness connectors & wiring color codes.

Or perhaps you can locate someone with a Euro or Asian market Silverwing Service Manual so that you can see the wiring diagram and locate the CPS.

I think it would be odd that Honda would build two versions of the Silverwing engine; one with the CPS and another without. The manufacturing costs would seem to be prohibitive. It is far more likely that Honda uses the same engine but either changes the wire harness connections at the ECM or uses another version of the ECM for the HISS.

Here is a link that may clear up some confusion:
http://www.triumphrat.net/twins-technical-talk/158995-ignition-pick-up-coil-crank-position-sensor-nerdy-and-boring.html

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PostSubject: Re: Finding cranckcase sensor connector   Wed 27 Mar 2013, 04:00

Well,

I found out, or better to say I clear this about "crankshaft position sensor" and "Ignition Pulse Generator", on the cars is "crankshaft position sensor" and on motorcycles is "Ignition Pulse Generator", that connector is located right where you say to me behind the right side passenger foot rest, and that is what I need!
Also, I fount out some more info about transponder chips, what I need is transponder ID46 witch apparently working in 2 modes: locked and unlocked, programmable and not programmable mode, so I need obviously unlocked mode so my ECU can program that new blank ID46 unlocked transponder!
Now, I only must find exactly what I need and order it, as I see they cost smth around 15€ blank key with transponder, 100% looking like original one Honda key!

So till than, I will try to make video and upload it so you can see it!
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PostSubject: Re: Finding cranckcase sensor connector   Wed 27 Mar 2013, 10:23

Congratulations on sleuthing out the correct for about that chip!
Do you have a number for that Honda key with the transponder chip.
Following your lead I have located a US source for the ID46 chip, but not for the Honda style key.
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PostSubject: Re: Finding cranckcase sensor connector   Wed 27 Mar 2013, 13:32

Cosmic_Jumper wrote:
Congratulations on sleuthing out the correct for about that chip!
Do you have a number for that Honda key with the transponder chip.
Following your lead I have located a US source for the ID46 chip, but not for the Honda style key.

Hi,

I would like to help you, but for that I need to understand what you are talking about Question

About what number you talking about, and what kind of style you talking about Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Finding cranckcase sensor connector   Wed 27 Mar 2013, 15:05

According to Lings site in the UK the part no. is PFKL5266896 but this may be their reference not the Honda one. The price also pretty steep at over £23 !! I'm sure the last one I bought was cheaper than that !
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PostSubject: Re: Finding cranckcase sensor connector   Wed 27 Mar 2013, 15:33

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Hi,

I would like to help you, but for that I need to understand what you are talking about Question

About what number you talking about, and what kind of style you talking about Shocked
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Sorry, when I posted that this morning it was before I had enough coffee to wake up my typing fingers. What I meant to say is; when you find the after-market source and part number for the key for your Silverwing please let us know.

I have located a US source for the ID46 chip, but not a source for an after-market key. Sourcing a (automobile) chip key from Honda is very expensive.
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PostSubject: Re: Finding cranckcase sensor connector   Wed 27 Mar 2013, 15:46

I've just looked at David Silver spares and they give the key with the chip as 35121MBW601 and they say it's £24 and needs to be coded by your dealer.
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PostSubject: Re: Finding cranckcase sensor connector   Wed 27 Mar 2013, 17:40

bikerboy wrote:
I've just looked at David Silver spares and they give the key with the chip as 35121MBW601 and they say it's £24 and needs to be coded by your dealer.

The You Tube video link which sxnin posted is a very good DIY tutorial for coding your own key.

Glad we don't have to deal with the HISS system here is the US, but then, we don't have the same problem of maxi scooters going missing as you do in Europe. They are just not popular enough to steal here --or to warrant Honda offering new models or a range of accessories for that matter either.
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