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Janice Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 21 Age: 59 Location: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Points: 1138 Registration date: 2009-05-11
 | Subject: GPS assistance Sat May 16, 2009 7:54 am | |
| Hi. What GPS units are people using? I love to take long solo rides, off main highways, and don't mind too much getting "lost" ( although I prefer to think of it as finding alternate routes). I would be much more secure in taking interesting side roads that I often pass if I had a GPS unit that would tell me to make a left at the next road to avoid ending up on some single-lane loose-gravel dead-end road. Do I need to get one specifically for motorcycles, or is there enough protection on the S'wing ( ie vibration etc) for any type? Any advice will be much appreciated. |
|  | | jdeereanton Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1767 Age: 74 Location: Huntsville, AL Points: 3058 Registration date: 2008-12-24
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sat May 16, 2009 8:24 am | |
| Janice,
I do not currently have a GPS on the bike and so use maps. I love them and they work great. I recognize the value of the GPS though and will go that route soon. I suggest you consider one of DennisB's mounts.
http://www.silverwing600.com/silver-wing-accessories-modifications-f5/dennisb-gps-mount-t129.htm |
|  | | dspevack Site Admin

Number of posts: 1147 Age: 47 Location: Miami, FL Points: 2590 Registration date: 2008-12-27
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sat May 16, 2009 9:00 am | |
| The made for motorcycle GPSs are the Garmin zumo 550 and 660. A nice thing about the Garmins, is that you can add your own custom POI files. http://silverwing.org/cgi-bin/topic_show.pl?tid=2433 _________________ I ride on two wheels cause I feel very unsafe on one wheel.Dan in Miami. The king of custom! Check out my bike mods hereReality is irrelevant. Its perception that counts. Control people's perceptions, and you control their reality. |
|  | | skiwoods Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 179 Age: 51 Location: NW Suburbs of Chicago Points: 1405 Registration date: 2008-12-29
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sat May 16, 2009 11:18 am | |
| Hi Janice,
I use DennisB's mount and per his advice, I bought a Lowrance XOG GPS. It is shock and water resistant. I bought mine new on ebay for $139. Between that, Dennis' mount and the RAM to hold the GPS, the powere adapter (optional), I finished up under $200. I mostly use mine for the exact reason you mentioned. I love taking side roads and I also like to know where I'll end up. To see apicture of my GPS, click on the link below for my Silver Wing pictures... |
|  | | dspevack Site Admin

Number of posts: 1147 Age: 47 Location: Miami, FL Points: 2590 Registration date: 2008-12-27
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sat May 16, 2009 11:53 am | |
| Gene, I just looked at your pictures. Your Silverwing grew breasts!  :ROTF: Those are the biggest...ahem...speakers I've ever seen on Silverwing handlebars :Not Worthy: _________________ I ride on two wheels cause I feel very unsafe on one wheel.Dan in Miami. The king of custom! Check out my bike mods hereReality is irrelevant. Its perception that counts. Control people's perceptions, and you control their reality. |
|  | | Opalsboy Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1279 Age: 67 Location: Rison, Arkansas Points: 2697 Registration date: 2009-01-10
 | Subject: GPS Sat May 16, 2009 8:12 pm | |
| I too use DennisB's mount. I looked and looked for several months at different brands and models of GPSs before I chose one that is not specifically for motorcycles. I only paid a little over $90 for it and have used it since Thanksgiving 08. I have had no problems so far. I really like it. Not only does it tell me how to find places, it bluetooths with my phone and I can use it with the scala helmet intercom as a really good speaker phone that I can use while riding. It plays mp3 files if I choose to listen. Really ads to the riding experience. The mount system created by Dennis is very sturdy. There has been no scientific tests run that I am aware of, but it seems to really make a sturdy place to park my GPS. I have added the power outlet for it and use it all the time. Hope this helps. Gary |
|  | | mickey Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 225 Points: 1381 Registration date: 2009-05-06
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sat May 16, 2009 8:40 pm | |
| My Blackberry does GPS navigation. I think the iPhone does that too. It might be cheaper to combine phone + GPS rather than having separate units. The Blackberry Storm comes with a simple nav program, and you can pay a monthly fee for a fancier one with voice promts.
What we REALLY need is a heads-up display for the inside of a visor for GPS. And engine management fuctions, and nighttime FLIR (to avoid hitting wildlife) and....... |
|  | | skiwoods Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 179 Age: 51 Location: NW Suburbs of Chicago Points: 1405 Registration date: 2008-12-29
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sat May 16, 2009 9:20 pm | |
| | dspevack wrote: | Gene, I just looked at your pictures.
Your Silverwing grew breasts! :ROTF:
Those are the biggest...ahem...speakers I've ever seen on Silverwing handlebars :Not Worthy: |
HAHA! I will never look at my S'wing the same! I have taken quite a bit of ribbing about those speakers, but I sure like how they sound! |
|  | | honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2258 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3606 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sat May 16, 2009 10:01 pm | |
| | mickey wrote: | | My Blackberry does GPS navigation. I think the iPhone does that too. It might be cheaper to combine phone + GPS rather than having separate units. |
I am curious if the phone GPS will continue to work if the phone is outside of phone coverage ... does anyone know? I ride in a lot of places where phone coverage is not available or spotty.
A GPS (Garmin etc) unit is only dependent on the GPS signal.
I do travel with a laminated Roads of Texas Atlas ( http://www.mapsco.com/detail.aspx?ID=3307 ), just in case._________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
|  | | honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2258 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3606 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sat May 16, 2009 10:10 pm | |
| | skiwoods wrote: | | I have taken quite a bit of ribbing about those speakers |
If the speakers are ribbing you, then you may be too close to those ahemmm ....... speakers as you call them.  _________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
|  | | mickey Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 225 Points: 1381 Registration date: 2009-05-06
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sat May 16, 2009 11:21 pm | |
| | honda_silver wrote: | | mickey wrote: | | My Blackberry does GPS navigation. I think the iPhone does that too. It might be cheaper to combine phone + GPS rather than having separate units. |
I am curious if the phone GPS will continue to work if the phone is outside of phone coverage ... does anyone know? I ride in a lot of places where phone coverage is not available or spotty.
A GPS (Garmin etc) unit is only dependent on the GPS signal.
I do travel with a laminated Roads of Texas Atlas ( http://www.mapsco.com/detail.aspx?ID=3307 ), just in case. |
Hmmm. I'm not as geeky as I thought I was, because I have no idea.
Since I live close to downtown BFE I'll have to experiment with that a bit.
The fact that they refer to it as "GPS" would infer that it's satellite-based, though. I don't see how they could get away with saying that if it's just triangulating from cell phone towers. Besides, that "triangulation" is notoriously inaccurate and my phone knows EXACTLY where I am. |
|  | | mickey Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 225 Points: 1381 Registration date: 2009-05-06
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sat May 16, 2009 11:27 pm | |
| By the way, I have the Garmin GPSMAP 60 cSX color handheld. It's something of a legend in the GPS community as it has the most accurate chipset in its class. Garmin has released some newer ones with touchscreens, but they're still not as accurate as the cSX
It's not designed specifically for on-road navigation, though it will certainly do that. Without voice, though, which may or may not matter to you if you're using it on a bike. It's considered a "hiking" tool, primarily, but like any GPS it will approximate the function of any of the other classes of receiver. It's also great for geocaching, if you're into that.
Not sure how I'd put it on the bike, but frankly I don't see why I'd need to. If I get lost I can dig it out from under the seat and figure out where I am. "Getting lost" is half the charm of a random road trip. I don't WANT to know where I am. The loster I get the more successful the drive, in my view. |
|  | | churchlady53 Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 53 Age: 58 Location: Old Fort, NC Points: 1188 Registration date: 2009-05-02
 | Subject: GPS Sun May 17, 2009 3:54 am | |
| We have a Garmin Zumo, but the mount's on hubby's bike since we nearly always do long trips together. Not sure how I'd mount one on this bike, but I'm leaning toward the Givi bag that's coming out shortly. It attaches to the bars but can be removed when off the bike. The reason we went with the Zumo is because it's bike-specific and is fairly waterproof. The downside is that even as good as it is, it's taken us on some really weird routes. |
|  | | driftwoodpoint Touring Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 367 Age: 62 Location: Oxford, Ohio Points: 1497 Registration date: 2008-12-29
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sun May 17, 2009 4:47 am | |
| I looked at a GPS system this winter but decided not to get one. I'm pretty good at mapping out my day trips and I do wander a lot. As long as my compass can tell me the general direction I should be heading I am fine. Most of the time I find an interesting destination on the Internet, I mapquest it and off I go. Plus after looking at the GPS systems I decided I would have to get out my glasses to see the screen  anyway! So for me it's just as easy to stop and check my map. A great suggestion I saw was to write route numbers on your windshield with a marker that comes off which sounded like a great idea to me. I usually do that with a peice of paper I keep in my jacket pocket. |
|  | | Opalsboy Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1279 Age: 67 Location: Rison, Arkansas Points: 2697 Registration date: 2009-01-10
 | Subject: Ridin'' with general directions Sun May 17, 2009 4:59 am | |
| Coralee, did you ever see the movie Deliverance? Here in Arkansas, you don't want to just ride in general direction. Some dead end roads can be very unfriendly to uninvited strangers.
(Just kiddin') but it IS very very easy to get lost and go in circles in rural areas like where I live. Cell phone service is spotty so, so you can't always depend on being able to use one to get help. Believe me you CAN get lost. |
|  | | Janice Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 21 Age: 59 Location: Toronto,Ontario,Canada Points: 1138 Registration date: 2009-05-11
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sun May 17, 2009 12:02 pm | |
| Thanks for all the assistance and advice. OPALSBOY wrote | Quote: | Coralee, did you ever see the movie Deliverance? Here in Arkansas, you don't want to just ride in general direction. Some dead end roads can be very unfriendly to uninvited strangers.
(Just kiddin') but it IS very very easy to get lost and go in circles in rural areas like where I live. Cell phone service is spotty so, so you can't always depend on being able to use one to get help. Believe me you CAN get lost.
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It is very easy to get lost in the rural areas of Ontario as well. The terrain is basically rolling farmland, with few landmarks. I'm not so much worried about unfriendly natives as I am about having to try and manouver out of narrow soft gravel driveways. It's hard to get a good tire ( or boot ) grip when the ground gives way under pressure. I always make sure I have at least a half tank of gas when I head off a main road, and there are a lot of small towns around, but in some areas they still close down on Sundays. I can generally tell what direction I'm heading , but it would be nice to know what I'm heading to. When I head out for long trips ( more than 3 hours) on my own, I usually have a destination in mind, but sometimes get distracted on my way there or back, and while I take a map with me, and google the route that I plan to take, it would be nice to be able to find out whether, if I take a side route to check out a small provincial park or point of interest , I can get back on my intended route without necessarily backtracking. I've also, in my research , seen some GPS units that let you put in favorites, so that if a side trip turns out to be worthwhile ( great twisty road, great destination, great ice cream stand, festival of some kind in a few weeks, etc) it can be entered so you can return without having to try and remember which spur of the moment detour led you there. |
|  | | driftwoodpoint Touring Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 367 Age: 62 Location: Oxford, Ohio Points: 1497 Registration date: 2008-12-29
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sun May 17, 2009 2:13 pm | |
| Oh I have gotten lost lots of times.  The compass has really helped with that. I generally know about where I am. Last summer I went off some back road and did have quite a time finding my way back out of the area. A young couple who lived in the area were walking with a stroller so I stopped. They weren't sure how to get out????  I've never really worried since I know I can always back-track if I need to. I agree I sure hate it when I'm down some little back road and it turns to gravel...  Gravel and I just don't get along! |
|  | | Opalsboy Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1279 Age: 67 Location: Rison, Arkansas Points: 2697 Registration date: 2009-01-10
 | Subject: There is rural and then there is RUUURRRAAALLLLLLL. Sun May 17, 2009 2:27 pm | |
| I am sitting here grinning. I have a compass in my truck. I use my GPS. I have a state map. I have a county map. I am married to an Indian. But there are still places within 15 miles of my house that I have wound up in and had to call my brother to come get me. Unless you know where Bugger Hollar road meets the Charles Huntley Road... you can't get home from Smith Chapel going through Marks Mill. Excuse me... I gotta turn the light on in the room. I can't find the door. Gary |
|  | | driftwoodpoint Touring Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 367 Age: 62 Location: Oxford, Ohio Points: 1497 Registration date: 2008-12-29
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sun May 17, 2009 3:26 pm | |
| Soooo true...LOL. I live on the OH/IN border and ride mostly in Southern IN. You get out in the country and there are no road signs. I used to get to an intersection, no signs and look up and it's noon.  I would have no clue which way to turn. At least with the compass I know the general direction to turn. |
|  | | dspevack Site Admin

Number of posts: 1147 Age: 47 Location: Miami, FL Points: 2590 Registration date: 2008-12-27
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sun May 17, 2009 5:42 pm | |
| | Opalsboy wrote: | Excuse me... I gotta turn the light on in the room. I can't find the door. Gary |
Did you remember to put a POI on the GPS for the light switch?_________________ I ride on two wheels cause I feel very unsafe on one wheel.Dan in Miami. The king of custom! Check out my bike mods hereReality is irrelevant. Its perception that counts. Control people's perceptions, and you control their reality. |
|  | | honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2258 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3606 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Sun May 17, 2009 6:33 pm | |
| | mickey wrote: | | The fact that they refer to it as "GPS" would infer that it's satellite-based, though. I don't see how they could get away with saying that if it's just triangulating from cell phone towers. Besides, that "triangulation" is notoriously inaccurate and my phone knows EXACTLY where I am. |
GPS receives the satellite triangulation.
GPS devices (for example Garmin) have the maps loaded on the device ... so they can convert the satellite triangulations to the map on the device.
GPS phones do not have maps loaded on the device, so even though the satellite triangulation may work. I highly doubt it has enough map data downloaded (phone memory is limited) for the endless roads that you could take from the last phone converage point._________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
|  | | DaveR Super Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 219 Age: 75 Location: Scottsbluff, Nebraska U.S.A Points: 1408 Registration date: 2009-02-19
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Wed May 20, 2009 1:12 pm | |
| Janice, This is old dave in western Nebraska u.s.a. I have a Garmin C330 and I use a Ram Mount on the left Brake cyl. I would post a picture but can not get this figured out. Did get lucky once and posted a couple of pictures of my Swing before I put the GPS on it. Yes it works well.. |
|  | | JeffR Site Admin

Number of posts: 1672 Age: 52 Location: Fremont, Ca Points: 2944 Registration date: 2008-12-19
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Wed May 20, 2009 9:03 pm | |
| Hi, I use my GPS all the time when I go on longer rides. It really helps and takes any worries of knowing where I am. A lot of times when I'm just riding, if I see a road that interests me, I just take it and see where it goes. That is what I like best of riding by myself. So the GPS, mounted to Dennis's GPS mount, works great and makes the ride more enjoyable. _________________ Ride safe, JeffR 2007 Silver Wing (30,000 miles) 2005 Majesty 400 (sold 12,500 miles) 2004 Reflex (sold 3,500 miles) Givi Windshield, top case, vista cruise, power commander, dr pulley sliders, air hawk seat pad, (J. Costa not installed now), kevlar belt  |
|  | | DaveR Super Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 219 Age: 75 Location: Scottsbluff, Nebraska U.S.A Points: 1408 Registration date: 2009-02-19
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Thu May 21, 2009 11:46 am | |
| I think the GPS is a great safety tool as it shows the turns etc. in the road before you get to them. You can sometimes come upon a tight turn in a hurry but if you are watching the GPS it will show in advance and give you fair warning on what to expect. Old Dave |
|  | | joncallihan Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts: 786 Age: 74 Location: Lafayette, Colorado, USA Points: 2110 Registration date: 2009-02-16
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Thu May 21, 2009 3:07 pm | |
| I would think that if you were watching the fence lines / power lines (or anything down the road) rather than a 5 inch tv screen on your handlebars, the turn would not sneak up on you. |
|  | | jdeereanton Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1767 Age: 74 Location: Huntsville, AL Points: 3058 Registration date: 2008-12-24
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Fri May 22, 2009 2:43 am | |
| DaveR,
You are right about the use of the GPS as a preview of the upcoming road. I think that is perhaps one of its best uses, even more than the route planning and guidance capability.
Jon, I've witnessed the use of a GPS for this very purpose while riding the Blue Ridge Parkway last May. The ability to know what is upcoming can not be overlooked as a help, just one more way to prepare for the route. There were no such road side indicators like fences or line poles, and the forewarning provided by the GPS was helpful. I did not ride mesmerized by the device with my eyes fixated on the screen, but would scan it like all the other instruments. Still watched (read) the road. Was it absolutely a must have item? NO, but it was helpful in a very different sort of way.
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|  | | honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2258 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3606 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Fri May 22, 2009 7:03 am | |
| | jdeereanton wrote: | | I did not ride mesmerized by the device with my eyes fixated on the screen, but would scan it like all the other instruments. Still watched (read) the road. Was it absolutely a must have item? NO, but it was helpful in a very different sort of way. |
I have GPS in my car and they provide invaluable information while traveling .... gas, hotels, resturants, stores, hospitals, police and detours (for closures or delays).
If I wait long enough the Garmin Zumo 660 wll drop in price._________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
|  | | KurtPerthWA Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts: 944 Age: 63 Location: Belmont, Perth WA Points: 2751 Registration date: 2009-01-19
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Fri May 22, 2009 7:49 am | |
| I have to have a giggle here. When we travel to Adelaide in the next state SA , we travel east for 700kms approx then turn right go for a further 500 kms south and then turn left east for 1200 kms.. GPS... nah dont thimk so for that part, but they are mighty helpful when getting to Adelaide. really helpful if you are going on to Melbourne or Sydney from there. |
|  | | skiwoods Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 179 Age: 51 Location: NW Suburbs of Chicago Points: 1405 Registration date: 2008-12-29
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Fri May 22, 2009 12:49 pm | |
| I like gadgets. That's the biggest reason I have a GPS on my SW. I have one in my car, my wife's car (she hardly uses it), my airplane (a very handy device up there). Not sure I could live without one anymore. |
|  | | churchlady53 Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 53 Age: 58 Location: Old Fort, NC Points: 1188 Registration date: 2009-05-02
 | Subject: Re: GPS assistance Fri May 22, 2009 3:10 pm | |
| Our first gen. Garmin took me carefully to the beginning of a bridge that was no longer there on a pretty big river in rural Missouri. The "new" bridge was two blocks further south. Just another reason I travel in daylight  |
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