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PostSubject: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Sun 26 Feb 2012, 07:46

ordered my admore light kit just after christmas
but
just before i ordered it i emailed admore asking if they could do the turn signals in amber rather than the red one that it comes with standard
as i live in the UK and the flashing red lights are illegal here in the UK

i got a reply back saying that they can do they amber ones but are not as bright as the red ones but if i want these to let them know at time of ordering

so got the kit a few weeks ago and usual had to pay customs charge but that the UK for you LOL

got around to fitting it few days ago
instructions very easy and since i bought the
PERFECT CONNECTOR from Dennisb
made the install all the easier
so fitted the lights to the box as instructed
found a route for the wiring
once had the wiring in at the rear of the SWing
i started to connect the wiring up as instructed

but done this on a temporary basis to make sure everything worked as it supposed to

so once all connected
i turned on the igntions to check the lights on the box

TAIL LIGHTS fine and working

BRAKE(STOP) LIGHTS fine and working

TAIL LIGHTS and LEFT SIDE INDICATOR
(TURN SIGNAL) fine and working

but the LEDs are multifunction so each LED acts as stop/tail and turn signal
but because of this they blink from red to amber
or amber to red what eve way u want to look at it Smile

TAIL LIGHTS and RIGHT SIDE INDICATOR
(TURN SIGNAL) fine and working

NOW WITH THE TAIL LIGHTS and LEFT SIDE INDICATOR
on and i press the brake lever to activate the STOP LIGHTS
THE AMBER DOESNT FLASH ANYMORE
AS ONLY FLASHES RED

but if i let go of the brake lever it returns to flashing amber

i contacted admore regarding this and explained it all
they replied back asking to do the following test

"The best thing to do to
test the AdMore kit is to disconnect it from the "perfect connector" and
connect the AdMore wires directly to +12V. Start by putting the red and
blue wires directly to +12V. Then add the purple wire and the brake
lights should go bright. Next add the green or yellow wire and the
right side LEDs should change to amber. Next add the yellow wire and
the left side should change to amber. Please let us know what happens
when you try this test. Thanks."

so tried this and this was the result
if side lights and stop lights are illumitated on the both side on the top box
and i apply the yellow wire to the + on the battery
the left side changes from red to amber
but the right side is till has the stop n tail light illuminated
left side only shows amber
doesnt flash obviously due it not going through the bikes flashing relay
waiting for reply from admore 8-)


so where does the problm lye?

is it in the ADMORE KIT
is it the PERFECT CONNECTOR
is it SWings own wiring that causing this problem
thanks for any feedback on this

http://www.admorelighting.com/index.php?page=products/index.php&subpage=1
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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Sun 26 Feb 2012, 08:47

Hi Mick,

I can say with all honesty that the Perfect Connector is just a connect point provider off the scooters stock wiring. I think MikeO is the expert at setting up Admore lights. He ran into this a while back.

Try this thread: http://www.silverwing600.com/t1539-admore-mini-light-bar-install?highlight=Admore
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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Sun 26 Feb 2012, 10:05

thanks for the link Dennis
read the posts in the link
so i will wait for the reply from admore and take it from there
will keep this updated

mick

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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Sun 26 Feb 2012, 10:09

Er - 'expert' isn't quite the word I'd use, Dennis, but thanks anyway!

I have just reread the thread Dennis linked to and if one can ignore my waffle, everything one needs to know is there - expert tips from the genuine experts, too.

There are links to Albums with useful pictures - mine is one of them.
I stress that labelling wires first to make sure they are connected correctly is well-worth the extra time, especially for those of us who are a bit timid.
And I don't know if the Purple Wire is still involved but TAPE UP THE BARE END BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE!
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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Sun 26 Feb 2012, 14:39

Mike,
Sorry to hear you're having these problems. Did you get the same led kit I gave you the link for?

When I ordered mine, I didn't go down the route of asking for amber turn signals, I just taped up the two turn signal wires, to avoid flashing reds, and just have running and brake lights. No problems installing at all with Dennis's great connector, and worked straight off. (I reckoned the Wing's turn signals are big enough to be seen anyway.)

That said, I originally ordered a mini light bar, and despite many tries, and emails to and from Admore, (not to mention a phone call from Dave at Admore) I could not get the lights to stop modulating (illegal in UK) when I put the brakes on. I ended up returning the light bar in exchange for the led lights for the oem topbox, and they work fine.

Just to rub salt in the wound, I didn't have to pay any excise duty either! (Sorry!! Embarassed )

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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Sun 26 Feb 2012, 15:31

Winger61 wrote:
Mike,
Sorry to hear you're having these problems. Did you get the same led kit I gave you the link for?


Just to rub salt in the wound, I didn't have to pay any excise duty either! (Sorry!! Embarassed )

Graham

hi graham yip got the same kit apart from the amber LEDs
as my thought was to have them in amber and can use them if need be
or have red ones that i cant

if need be can run them without the indicators(turn signals)
as all work fine anyway aprat from the indicators

as for the customs everything i get from EU i get a surcharge so doenst suprise me any more Smile

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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Thu 12 Apr 2012, 15:15

well been a good few weeks if not months
after numerous email back n forth admore asked if could send back the kit to them and once recieved would send out a replacement
or buy another kit then send the first one back to them
once they recieved this they then would refund me the payment for the 2nd kit
but being in the uk and after be charged for the uk customs charge
then a handling charge
i was reluctent to buy the second kit incase i got charged a second time
plus the cost o sending it back to them and time it takes

so admore gave me a discount on the second kit
and put on it WARRANTY with a lower value
got this last week
no customs charge Smile

and i asked admore to do away with the pulse on the stop light

so fitted the kit

tested brake light
doesnt flash now Smile
turned on turn signal flashing amber in uk
fine again Smile
while turn signal was flashing tried the stop light
no difference from the first kit
the flashing amber changed to a flashing red


thats me got 2 kits with exact same fault

so sent a email to admore
they replied asking

We are totally confused. Please confirm:

- Tail lights work correctly.
- Brake light lights work correctly (they do not flash as per your request)
- Turn signals flash but in red only?

Can you please try to bypass that "perfect connector" to see what happens? We fully tested every component of this second kit and everything worked perfectly (including amber turn signals). Something is wrong with the connection on your bike. Thanks
.

on the first kit they asked me to bypass DENIIS`S PERFECT CONNECTOR
after emails saying this is just a straight through connector
they then asked me to bench test it on a 12v battery
which i did and everything was fine apart from the turn signals did not flash due not being put through the flasher relay

NOW THIS IS THEM ASKING ME TO DO THE TEST AGAIN ON THE 2ND KIT
which they had checked before despatch



after i emailed them saying the faults just the same
they confirmed they bench tested it
i replied asking when they best tested it was it put through a flasher relay as i think this is what causing the fault
as if they didnt the bench test would show it was fine

same as i done on the first kit


after few emails they said they
"Just waiting for a reply from our tech. Will follow up with you later today. Thanks for your patience.
"
still not heard back

honestly for a company thats meant to be one of the best out there i am not impressed with this
as from sending a email sometimes have to resend it after 3/4 days then they reply back
yet i know they have recieved the email as i get the automated repy back from them

but if i have just the turn signals and tail lights on
when this is happening its fine
but the way it flashes it tends to be more of the red that flashing on the tail lightom when its blinking from amber to red
i dont know if its an illussion due the the red light being brighter and taking longet to dimthan compared to the amber

so i am a patient man butmy patience is beginning to wear thin on this subect
and feedback is welcomed
thanks
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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Thu 12 Apr 2012, 17:02

I've just installed a light bar using the Perfect connector and it works just fine, I can put up with the modulating if it protects my rear ! I'm not having so much success so far with the top box, I found it a bit fiddly to fit to the paper strip behind the lens (I may replace this with Plasticard when I have the time) and one set of LEDs doesnt seem to flash properly but hey, it's early days yet !!
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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Thu 12 Apr 2012, 17:56

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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Thu 12 Apr 2012, 18:49

Not sure if this is sensible but you could try temporarily wiring the indicators the 'wrong' way round to see if the light-unit's at fault, i.e. left to right & vice versa.
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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Fri 13 Apr 2012, 00:25

MikeO wrote:
Not sure if this is sensible but you could try temporarily wiring the indicators the 'wrong' way round to see if the light-unit's at fault, i.e. left to right & vice versa.

Or try with electrical meter and confirm each wire for proper usage.
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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Fri 13 Apr 2012, 09:07

the perfect connector and the admore kit are all marked which wire is for what
so basically(mick) idiot proof
ive checked each wire thats been marked
and all are fine and working either independent
tail lights are fine
turn signals are fine
stop lights are fine
its when all 3 are on that the problem happens
ive rewired it a few times on both kits and it always the same scenario

but all works fine if i check it on a bench with a 12v supply


but convinced its the hardware in the admore kit that the fault is in
as to do with the LEDs and the flashing unit on the SWing
thanks for comments Smile
will see what amore say or blame the next time

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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Fri 13 Apr 2012, 10:03

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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Fri 13 Apr 2012, 13:50



is there a simple reason why there not an issue in the US versions with the flashing red for the turn signal compared to the flashing amber in the UK versions
or is this down to the voltage
bigbird wrote:
LED's can change colour on their own if their voltage falls below a certain threshold. .
that i didnt know Cool



is red brake light must be the more common light so to speak and takes priority or something

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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Fri 13 Apr 2012, 14:36

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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Fri 13 Apr 2012, 14:41

thanks Smile definately interested
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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Fri 13 Apr 2012, 17:50

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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Sat 14 Apr 2012, 08:09

nope
not yet will give them till monday then send them a email to find out
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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Sat 14 Apr 2012, 08:43

My kit for the top box flashes red so I guess I may have a different kit !!
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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Sat 14 Apr 2012, 09:00

they come with indicators ( turn signals ) red as standard from admore
i asked admore if they done the indicators ( turn signals ) in amber
admore said yes but are not as bright as the red ones
so depends if request this at time of order
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PostSubject: Re: honda oem top box with admore light kit dilema   Wed 18 Apr 2012, 03:08

Well sent a email to admore on sunday night past
Still not heard from them since last week
So either the cannot work out the problem
Or
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