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steveR
Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 175
Location: Shropshire, God's own county!
Points: 636
Registration date: 2011-03-23
 |  Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience  Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:47 am | |
| | Meldrew wrote: |
I bet you none of our American friends are into Dwile Flonking ! 
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I would certainly hope not, after all this is the 21st Century you know! |
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steveR
Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 175
Location: Shropshire, God's own county!
Points: 636
Registration date: 2011-03-23
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:48 am | |
| | Opalsboy wrote: |
I have got to add a visit to the UK to my bucket list. |
If you make it over, you'll need a bigger map in your sig!
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jdeereanton
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 1767
Age: 74
Location: Huntsville, AL
Points: 3058
Registration date: 2008-12-24
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:07 am | |
| | Meldrew wrote: | I agree that Darksiding is a rather cool name, it's also used in the UK by trad scooter riders that have gone over to the Dark Side by riding a modern auto scooter. So those guys think they're Darkside dudes too.
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It's also used by the Star Wars group (I've never seen any of the movies either).
I actually don't think it's such a cool name. I do think it is a rather "Walter Mitty-ish" name.
Just because something is called by a different noun doesn't make it right. Do I actually disagree with using a car tire on a motorcycle because of semantics and grammar? No, but it does bother me enough to pen this screed as I sit here with my new kicks. |
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steveR
Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 175
Location: Shropshire, God's own county!
Points: 636
Registration date: 2011-03-23
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:44 am | |
| | john grinsel wrote: | Here is a John Grinsel comment on car tires on bike/scooter=really stupid idea. beads and rims car to bike are different.
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I was wondering this after starting to read the thread. I cannot recall the depth of the rims on the scoot wheels, but they are different to a car rim.
I guess the fit is adequate enough for the guys running car tyres on the scoots, I am sure they would soon notice pressure loss or feel any flex?
My take, based on absolutely no knowledge whatsoever of using a car tyre, (lack of knowledge has never stopped me in the past!!) is that US and UK usage may well vary because of the road type.
I know that if I crank a bike, any bike, over hard, I want to be certain it'll keep on gripping in a smooth and flowing form, and to me, a rounded profile will always achieve this better.
Some of us here will be old enough to remember TT100's, a truly horrible tyre that was totally outclassed in the mid-70's as the new style of sports road tyres came about. the worst thing about it was the weird profile, almost a wedge. Ugh!!  |
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Meldrew
Silver Wing Expert
Number of posts: 602
Age: 61
Location: Cumbria, England UK
Points: 1164
Registration date: 2010-11-16
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:11 am | |
| | steveR wrote: | | Some of us here will be old enough to remember TT100's, a truly horrible tyre that was totally outclassed in the mid-70's as the new style of sports road tyres came about. the worst thing about it was the weird profile, almost a wedge. Ugh!! |
I remember Dunlop TT100's back in the 70's, along with Avon Roadrunners they were usually the tyres of choice when replacing the OE Bridgestone tyres fitted to all Japanese motorcycles back then. The Bridgestones weren't particularly grippy especially in the wet, and most of us riding round on L plates on 250cc two-strokes weren't very skilled riders either, we just thought we were. So a set of TT100's gave you a bit of street cred with your mates, and they were usually bought mail-order from Smart Tyres in Liverpool via an ad in MCN.
Fitting them involved a lot of swearing, sweating, straining and grazed knuckles as the tyre levers were wielded to get the old tyre off, and then hoping the inner tube wasn't pinched as you installed the new tyre on the now rather battered rim. I can't remember anything more than a cursory attempt to balance the wheels either.
I was thinking about 1970's tyres last Friday as I looked at a pristine 70's Suzuki GT 750 "Kettle", and 7equally tidy 70's Kawasaki Z900 on display in the windows of a trendy clothes shop in the Queen's Arcade in Leeds city centre. A close inspectioon revealed neither bike had TT100's or Road Runners fitted, they had the correct period Bridgestone tyres.
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DickO
Silver Wing Rider
Number of posts: 480
Age: 67
Location: Harveyville, Kansas (SW of Topeka)
Points: 1777
Registration date: 2008-12-23
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:59 pm | |
| By the way... How would I know if I had ever had my "dwile flonked"; or if I had ever been in on a "dwile flonking"   |
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Meldrew
Silver Wing Expert
Number of posts: 602
Age: 61
Location: Cumbria, England UK
Points: 1164
Registration date: 2010-11-16
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:40 am | |
| Dwile Flonking or Dwile Flunking is a traditional English thing, just like Morris Dancing, Conkers, Gurning, and Shin Kicking. |
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FlyingWing
Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 90
Location: Dallas, Texas
Points: 606
Registration date: 2011-01-16
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:23 pm | |
| im glad u tried the darkside metallic it....i have had my D.S. for a while now and simply love it. |
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larryinseattle
Super Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 213
Age: 58
Location: Seattle
Points: 1016
Registration date: 2010-03-31
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:35 am | |
| Been a darksider on my Goldwing for 13000 miles and will replace that car tire with another, but I have to wait another 17,000 miles before I do because I just can't wear it out, damn it.
I will be going darkside on the Silverwing as soon as I wear the rear tire out on mine. Folks, the insurance company doesn't care if it is a car tire or not........ because tires are not designated that way. They are rated for speed and weight, period. If it fits, it works.
All you naysayers, I like you regardless. Would you please go start another oil thread so you have something to contribute that you have experience with. That is, if your motorcycle uses oil. |
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MikeO
Site Admin
Number of posts: 1724
Age: 62
Location: Western Europe
Points: 2868
Registration date: 2009-06-29
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:31 am | |
| The Insurance companies in the UK, the 6th most densely-populated country in the world, do care if it's a car tyre or not, as does the Law.
It's not a question of 'naysayers' - it's illegal!
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'09 Silverwing 600 - 'The Winged Express' - Delta Blue, ABS, Heated Grips, Givi Airflow Screen, Utopia rider's backrest, Givi pillion backrest & E52 Topbox, Cortech Super Mini Tank Bag as a tunnel-bag, Starcom Digital Comms System.
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larryinseattle
Super Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 213
Age: 58
Location: Seattle
Points: 1016
Registration date: 2010-03-31
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Sat Nov 26, 2011 5:45 am | |
| | MikeO wrote: | The Insurance companies in the UK, the 6th most densely-populated country in the world, do care if it's a car tyre or not, as does the Law.
It's not a question of 'naysayers' - it's illegal! |
Well I am ignorant of the UK law. It would be helpful to post some links to the court decisions or articles where someone lost a case involving a car tire mounted on a motorcycle. It doesn't exist here in the USA. |
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MikeO
Site Admin
Number of posts: 1724
Age: 62
Location: Western Europe
Points: 2868
Registration date: 2009-06-29
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:48 am | |
| Indeed but I was trying to remind members that there is life outside the USA and since the title of this thread is 'UK Darkside Experience', what you do or what is legal in the States is rather off-topic. As for UK/European Laws, a visit to Google will undoubtedly answer your desire to find out the Rules and Regulations. 
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'09 Silverwing 600 - 'The Winged Express' - Delta Blue, ABS, Heated Grips, Givi Airflow Screen, Utopia rider's backrest, Givi pillion backrest & E52 Topbox, Cortech Super Mini Tank Bag as a tunnel-bag, Starcom Digital Comms System.
www.x9ownersclub.co.uk - for all Maxi-Riders who want to RIDE!
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
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bigbird
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 2165
Location: Winnipeg Canada
Points: 3063
Registration date: 2010-05-02
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Sat Nov 26, 2011 7:53 am | |
| Mike, this pissing contest will go nowhere.
You have the tunnel between England and France.
Larry just has Seattle tunnel........vision. |
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larryinseattle
Super Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 213
Age: 58
Location: Seattle
Points: 1016
Registration date: 2010-03-31
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:40 am | |
| | bigbird wrote: | Mike, this pissing contest will go nowhere.
You have the tunnel between England and France.
Larry just has Seattle tunnel........vision. |
Excellent point, sir.
The forum removes time and distance between the members, thereby everyone is "just next door." It improves our ability to communicate with like minded subjects, but in fact, as humans we are used to talking to our neighbors.
I like Seattle. I don't think I will take my darksided motorcycle to the UK ever. So, I am going to release this thread from any more of my postings and ranting.
I will just ride my darksided motorcycle and enjoy all of the benefits of being here in Seattle.
Ride safe, ya all.
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Waspie
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 1739
Age: 60
Location: Portland, UK
Points: 2906
Registration date: 2009-07-26
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:56 am | |
| | larryinseattle wrote: | | MikeO wrote: | The Insurance companies in the UK, the 6th most densely-populated country in the world, do care if it's a car tyre or not, as does the Law.
It's not a question of 'naysayers' - it's illegal! |
Well I am ignorant of the UK law. It would be helpful topost some links to the court decisions or articles where someone lost a case involving a car tire mounted on a motorcycle. It doesn't exist here in the USA. |
My Bold.
Why - it's illegal in the UK what is so difficult to understand. The Thread title actually states UK.  |
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MikeO
Site Admin
Number of posts: 1724
Age: 62
Location: Western Europe
Points: 2868
Registration date: 2009-06-29
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:33 am | |
| Yes, bigbird, but larry seems to be unable to grasp that first, the whole world is not subject to the laws of the USA which, incidentally, vary from state to state and second, that any mention in this thread of experiences outside the UK of using car tyres on bikes is a complete waste of time - there are other threads which discuss the merits or not of doing so.
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'09 Silverwing 600 - 'The Winged Express' - Delta Blue, ABS, Heated Grips, Givi Airflow Screen, Utopia rider's backrest, Givi pillion backrest & E52 Topbox, Cortech Super Mini Tank Bag as a tunnel-bag, Starcom Digital Comms System.
www.x9ownersclub.co.uk - for all Maxi-Riders who want to RIDE!
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke
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larryinseattle
Super Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 213
Age: 58
Location: Seattle
Points: 1016
Registration date: 2010-03-31
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:21 pm | |
| | MikeO wrote: | | Yes, bigbird, but larry seems to be unable to grasp that first, the whole world is not subject to the laws of the USA which, incidentally, vary from state to state and second, that any mention in this thread of experiences outside the UK of using car tyres on bikes is a complete waste of time - there are other threads which discuss the merits or not of doing so. |
Oh, I understand forum language. I already acknowledged that I posted and was not in UK. I understand the whole deal. My apologies. Keep it friendly as honey collects more bees.
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FlyingWing
Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 90
Location: Dallas, Texas
Points: 606
Registration date: 2011-01-16
| | Subject: Re: UK Darkside Experience Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:57 pm | |
| to Larry......i just hate it when my darkside just wont wear out....i know how u feel.....as far as insurance companies go.....we have a mutual understanding....they dont ask and i dont tell.....to OUR BROTHERs IN THE U.K......ive been to about half the euro countries and i think europe has the states beat in almost every way except insurance companies.....Oh....except for Lloyds of London.
In europe beer is just another possible breakfast food group(germans are right).....in the usa, beer for breakfast means your an alchoholic.....I just GET TIRED of having breakfast IN THE CLOSET :-)....whats more....I luv paying money to use a public toilet when im in europe.....
SERIOUSLY, If i could hop a trein from england to amsterdam(under the sea)....get baked and laid and still be home in time for TEA.....well....THATS IT....IM MOVING...you guys get a flat ready for me....... |
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