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richard Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 21 Points: 310 Registration date: 2011-08-28
 | Subject: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:51 am | |
| had my first oil change done at a shop and found out they used 20w50 I have a 2011 silverwing the book sais 10w30 will this be a problem |
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john grinsel Silver Wing Expert

Number of posts: 530 Points: 1604 Registration date: 2009-08-18
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:13 am | |
| Probably not but.....better to do your self, so you know what went in. |
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richard Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 21 Points: 310 Registration date: 2011-08-28
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:24 am | |
| Thanks I hope your right this is my first new bike I wanted to go right by the book |
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BlackFly Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 151 Age: 33 Location: Germany Points: 729 Registration date: 2010-11-20
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:29 am | |
| Normally you can use more than 1 type of oil. I have a 2001 Modell and i can use both and a few others "between" those 2 viscosities. Standartoil in germany is the 10W40 but what you can use depends on the region and the temperatures you will ride your bike. 10W30 e.g. can i only use if the temperature is between -10°C/15°F and 30°C/85°F and the 20W50 is useable between 0°C/35°F and >40°C/100°F I don't know where you are living and which temperatures you will have there, but i think 20W50 will be the better choice than 10W30 and 10W40 (or 10W50) will be the best choice... |
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richard Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 21 Points: 310 Registration date: 2011-08-28
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:48 am | |
| I'm in Florida on the east coast can be hot here thinks for the info I am feeling better about my situation with the comments on this sight thanks again |
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BlackFly Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 151 Age: 33 Location: Germany Points: 729 Registration date: 2010-11-20
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:37 am | |
| I wasn't in Florida but i think it can be really hot there  Then is 10W30 definitely the wrong Oil! 10, 15 or 20 in front of the W should all be fine 40 or 50 after the W should also all be fine |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:22 am | |
| I disagree. 20W-50 oil is too viscous.
You won't have good flow on cold startup. You will also have much more internal drag losses with that thick oil until the oil warms up. It's likely your oil filter will run in bypass mode until the oil thins out. That can take several minutes.
Florida in the winter, even on the East coast, can still have morning temps in the 40's. I would run a 10W-40.
Honda doesn't spec anything thicker than a 10W-30 or 10W-40 for a reason. |
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bob wells Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 100 Age: 62 Location: Idaho Points: 434 Registration date: 2011-07-06
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:27 am | |
| | bigbird wrote: | I disagree. 20W-50 oil is too viscous.
You won't have good flow on cold startup. You will also have much more internal drag losses with that thick oil until the oil warms up. It's likely your oil filter will run in bypass mode until the oil thins out. That can take several minutes.
Florida in the winter, even on the East coast, can still have morning temps in the 40's. I would run a 10W-40.
Honda doesn't spec anything thicker than a 10W-30 or 10W-40 for a reason. |
I pretty much agree. |
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GaryL Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 237 Age: 59 Location: Casa Grande, Arizona Points: 944 Registration date: 2010-07-09
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:37 am | |
| I also think that 20W-50 oil is too thick for all the reasons that bigbird stated. I just looked at the shop manual and Honda's recommendation is 10W-30 OR 10W-40 for temps from 20(F) (-10C) all the way up... no upper temp listed. In the heat of Arizona I run 10W-30 synthetic, and it works just fine. 20W-50 is generally used in air cooled bikes which run much hotter as a rule. Water cooled bikes run at the same temperature internally no matter what the outside temp is. The big difference is in startup as Bigbird pointed out. The thicker oil will indeed add to internal friction and cost you slightly in fuel effeciency. |
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BlackFly Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 151 Age: 33 Location: Germany Points: 729 Registration date: 2010-11-20
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:09 am | |
| You don't have to disagree, it is nearly the same i wrote  Acc to my shop manual (for a 2001 modell) the 20W50 is useable with these weather conditions but i also wrote that 10W40 will be better. But 10W30 isn't the right one! A lubrication oil film that is too thin is also not good and will damage the engine due to thermal problems and broken lubrication films. I stay at this what i said: 10W40 will be the best but everything with 10, 15 oder 20 in front of the W and 40 or 50 after the W will be working well... |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:12 am | |
| | BlackFly wrote: |
I stay at this what i said: 20 in front of the W and 40 or 50 after the W will be working well... |
My shop manual says nothing about any 20W-50 being acceptable. Only 10W-30 or 10W-40 in older models. The OP has a 2011 model.
The OP could have an issue if his oil pump or bypass were to fail and seals start leaking because of using a non-factory approved viscosity of oil. Honda could deny warranty coverage and then the OP would have to settle with or sue his dealer.
And I stay at what I said: I disagree on the 20W-50 for a liquid cooled, DOHC Honda non-race engine. What could the OP possibly gain by running 20W-50 besides leaking seals? Modern oils don't break down and shear in liquid cooled, dry clutch, non-racing applications. Honda is running 0W-20 oil in their DOHC car engines for goodness sake, even in Florida! The 582cc Silverwing engine is no different in operation than their 1800cc Civic engine. I guess we agree to disagree.
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BlackFly Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 151 Age: 33 Location: Germany Points: 729 Registration date: 2010-11-20
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:23 am | |
| Which manual do you have? This picture is from the 2001 (US) Shop manual
Possibly there are some changes in the later years? Therefore i said that i have the 2001 manual!
But normaly the same picture should be in the owners manual and richard can check the required oil for his modell by its own... - Attachments
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DarthJ Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 56 Age: 37 Location: Hell Paso Points: 312 Registration date: 2011-09-27
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:35 am | |
| I also have a 2011 and the manual only specifies 10w30. No mention of any others. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:58 am | |
| | BlackFly wrote: | Which manual do you have? . |
I have the 2002-2010 manual.
P. 1-5 specs the oil at 10W-30. P. 3-11 shows a viscosity chart. From -10C to 45C ( 18F-110F), it shows that both 10W-30 and 10W-40 can be used.
Maybe in 2001 Honda spec'd 20W-50, and quickly realized it was way too thick for any application. |
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john grinsel Silver Wing Expert

Number of posts: 530 Points: 1604 Registration date: 2009-08-18
 | Subject: Re: first oil change Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:19 pm | |
| I think only difference with 20-50 is cold start up----multi Vis oil is same as 20W cold. Water cooled engine temps are well controlled and the 50 on the high end, that is the capabilty of the oil would never be required.
I bought new in 1990 Honda Fusion (North American Helix) Honda said 10-30 fine, yet when I bought US Helix a couple of years later 10-40 was the spec.
Just for info Japanese model Fusion ran better, was faster than US, but parts book showed no diffference-----70 plus mph, faster downhill with tailwind-----on J spec 62mph tires. |
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