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LVScooterBill Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 113 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada, USA Points: 475 Registration date: 2011-06-07
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:58 pm | |
| | craigory wrote: | Hi Donodii, I'm confused about the difference between the "dealer" and the "local MC shop." My dealer has a full service department. Are you saying that the installation was much more expensive if done at the dealer than it was if done at a service-only shop? Considering the massive price difference you encountered I am intensely interested to find out. Thanks! |
That's what I showed in my last post above (follow the link). If the dealerships have slow bike sales then they tend to mark stuff up and charge ludicrous hourly rates compared to the average in that locale. |
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kyouteki Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 20 Age: 26 Location: Wichita, KS Points: 315 Registration date: 2011-08-10
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:15 pm | |
| | craigory wrote: | Hi Donodii, I'm confused about the difference between the "dealer" and the "local MC shop." My dealer has a full service department. Are you saying that the installation was much more expensive if done at the dealer than it was if done at a service-only shop? Considering the massive price difference you encountered I am intensely interested to find out. Thanks! |
As an example, my local Honda dealer charges $105/hr for work in their service shop. The Bike Shop, the place I take my bike for tire work, charges $45/hr, and they do better work than the dealer. |
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Tagg Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 439 Points: 1083 Registration date: 2010-11-14
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:04 pm | |
| | kyouteki wrote: | | craigory wrote: | Hi Donodii, I'm confused about the difference between the "dealer" and the "local MC shop." My dealer has a full service department. Are you saying that the installation was much more expensive if done at the dealer than it was if done at a service-only shop? Considering the massive price difference you encountered I am intensely interested to find out. Thanks! |
As an example, my local Honda dealer charges $105/hr for work in their service shop. The Bike Shop, the place I take my bike for tire work, charges $45/hr, and they do better work than the dealer. |
You may find that dealerships know little, if anything about scooters, they know sportbikes, cruisers, and atv's, thats it. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Tue Sep 13, 2011 8:31 pm | |
| | Tagg wrote: | You may find that dealerships know little, if anything about scooters. |
Obi Wan Grinsel, now he knows scooters. |
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LVScooterBill Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 113 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada, USA Points: 475 Registration date: 2011-06-07
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Sun Sep 18, 2011 2:12 pm | |
| Well, the Pirelli Diablos are on the bike and all I can say is--wow! Does it feel like an entirely different bike? No. But it does feel like I am an entirely different rider! You see, I have never felt the same confidence turning this Silver Wing that I felt on both the Helix and the Burgman 400. Well, I do now. While a person has to think well about any maneuver they do, I find that I no longer over-think them. And I no longer end up making sloppily extra wide turns or leaning over excessively when I didn't need to. Also, a quick left turn that I regularly do when commuting no longer feels like the rear wants to slip out under me. I recommend these tires 1,000% to anyone who wants to feel better riding their S-Wing. Your comfort zone will definitely grow. I put it right up there with the improvement of adjusting the handlebars back for better reach & grip--both things that make the bike seem smaller and more "flick-able". |
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buddy19520 Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 286 Location: Cornelius NC Points: 1130 Registration date: 2010-02-27
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:44 pm | |
| | LVScooterBill wrote: | | Well, the Pirelli Diablos are on the bike and all I can say is--wow! Does it feel like an entirely different bike? No. But it does feel like I am an entirely different rider! You see, I have never felt the same confidence turning this Silver Wing that I felt on both the Helix and the Burgman 400. Well, I do now. While a person has to think well about any maneuver they do, I find that I no longer over-think them. And I no longer end up making sloppily extra wide turns or leaning over excessively when I didn't need to. Also, a quick left turn that I regularly do when commuting no longer feels like the rear wants to slip out under me. I recommend these tires 1,000% to anyone who wants to feel better riding their S-Wing. Your comfort zone will definitely grow. I put it right up there with the improvement of adjusting the handlebars back for better reach & grip--both things that make the bike seem smaller and more "flick-able". |
Bill, I think a lot of the change in the ride is just due to the fact you have new tires (of any brand), with a new profile vs. old tires (of any brand) with a flattened middle. New tires always turn nicely.
I just got a new front tire on my Silverwing last week, and did a 1200 mile, four day trip two days later. The new tire is a Metzeler Feel Free, while the back is a 50% used Diablo. Both tires have excellent grip. I could really feel the difference in the new front though - the bike had a bad steering wobble at high speeds and it took a lot of counter-steer to turn. The wobble went away with the installation of the new tire, and turns are easy now.
With this limited experience with the Feel Free, I would say it is just as good as the prior Diablo front tire. I'm happy with both and would buy either in the future
A further note - in my constant internet perusal, I came across an old news article regarding Pirelli and Metzeler. Turns out, one company bought the other about 5 years ago. Their intent was to keep Pirelli as the sport name, and Metzeler as the cruising name. They build Metzelers to achieve higher mileage. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:46 pm | |
| Are the Feel Free's manufactured in S. America like the Diablo's are? |
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buddy19520 Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 286 Location: Cornelius NC Points: 1130 Registration date: 2010-02-27
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:46 pm | |
| Last November, I bought a rear Diablo and a set of Feel Frees. The FFs were made in Serbia, and the Diablo in Brazil.
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moonshiner Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 12 Age: 43 Location: TN Points: 308 Registration date: 2011-08-06
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Wed Sep 21, 2011 5:13 pm | |
| i bought a feel free rear tire , it says made in Brazil ? , i have about 400 miles on it , i am pleased with the performance of it for the price , seems to stick quite well... |
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acworthpatrick Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 19 Age: 31 Location: Acworth, GA Points: 451 Registration date: 2011-03-28
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:50 am | |
| Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents on this topic, due to budget concerns I went with the cheapest tires last time from Motorcycle Superstore and they have been great. I don't know the model, but they are made by Shinko.
I have about 9000 miles on them now and the front is hardly worn, the back still probably has another 3-4000 miles in it so I pleased. They handle great, even when my wife and I are riding together on it. |
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tarmacburner2 Touring Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 362 Age: 58 Location: Lancashire, England Points: 1210 Registration date: 2010-03-27
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Thu Sep 29, 2011 5:05 am | |
| | john grinsel wrote: | Metzeler and Pirelli are same company. I had good luck with Diablo on Reflex made in Brazil. (tires)
Hard compound tires can get you killed when chips are down. Recent experience with AVON will keep me away from them for a long time---85-90F two up on my Concours=great. BUT 35-40 degreesF, wet, cold, dark-----bike wouldn't even go straight----lots of effort to keep bike up.
What is wrong with the tires Honda tested and recommended--IRC and Bridgestone?
My take tackbox techs cannot outthink Honda------and further going from stock tires isn't going to fix much or improve much. In the end you still have scooter |
John, agree with you about the techies at Honda probably have things sussed out better but how many times do we hear that the accountants have the final say.
My next tyres will be Mettzler Feel Free. Hopefully fitted before riding in the Picos de Europa next year.
Cheers, |
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Waspie Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1739 Age: 60 Location: Portland, UK Points: 2906 Registration date: 2009-07-26
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:31 pm | |
| | acworthpatrick wrote: | Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents on this topic, due to budget concerns I went with the cheapest tires last time from Motorcycle Superstore and they have been great. I don't know the model, but they are made by Shinko.
I have about 9000 miles on them now and the front is hardly worn, the back still probably has another 3-4000 miles in it so I pleased. They handle great, even when my wife and I are riding together on it. |
I appreciate the budgetary concerns but I was talked into a budget set of tyres, 'Fulda,' in the dry they were OK, but when the weather changed I slid all over the place. A knife went into them after one bad experience.
Now - I prefer to have maximum confidence in my tyres. |
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rogerscoot Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 63 Location: Brinsley, UK Points: 575 Registration date: 2011-01-05
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:44 pm | |
| I'll be needing some new tyres soon....this summer weather is causing many more miles to be travelled and I need to replace both front and rear....i'm going for Metzeler this time.
Hi Tarmacburner...I see you've mentioned Picos for next year.....it's on my thoughts but not definite yet. Would you care to share your plans? |
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Elklander Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 24 Age: 54 Location: Port Orchard,WA. Points: 382 Registration date: 2011-06-10
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:26 pm | |
| I put Heidenau K66 on Front & Back at 27,500 miles earlier this year.I now have 32,127 miles and the tires still look new! Yes All I ride is 30 miles on Highway no stops one-way and back home everyday so no hard corners or tight turns but plenty of speed.Over the OEM (Hoops) I noticed better wet weather handling and smoother ride but the small groves(about 2 inch apart) in concrete they do seem to wiggle more.Yes when they wear out I'll replace them with the same. |
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redeye Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 151 Age: 51 Location: Maryland Points: 751 Registration date: 2010-10-13
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:05 pm | |
| Brought my Silver Wing home today from the shop that installed new tires. I decided to try Motorcycle Superstore's program of purchasing tires and having them shipped to a contracted shop near my home.
The Pirelli Diablo tires cost $105.98 delivered and the installation cost $130.89 for a grand total of $236.87. Although the rear Hoop was fairly well worn, at least it wore evenly. The front Hoop demonstrated a similar uneven, cupped wear pattern as that described by others, but it appeared to have more remaining tread depth than the rear. For just about the entire time with this set of Hoops, the Silver Wing had a noticeable but controllable handlebar vibration at highway speeds on the old tires, and I mentioned this to the shop owners. It wasn't a problem at lower speeds.
Riding home on the new tires, I was anticipating the handlebar vibration to resume. Odd as it may seem, I was wondering why the vibration didn't resume before assuring myself this was a good thing. I must have reached the point of perceiving some vibration as "normal." Perhaps one ride home isn't enough to draw a lot of conclusions, but my first impression of the Pirellis, as well as Motorcycle Superstore's program and the shop that performed the service, is a good one. The shop, Iron Horse Repair in Gettysburg, PA, is a place I will gladly look to for future motorcycle service. |
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buddy19520 Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 286 Location: Cornelius NC Points: 1130 Registration date: 2010-02-27
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:36 pm | |
| Redeye, I recently had a new front tire installed and my wobble went away completely. The wobble was at higher speeds (not the usual 30 mph wobble), and it was bad.
In the future, I will probably replace front and rear together (even though the front will probably still have life in it).
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redeye Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 151 Age: 51 Location: Maryland Points: 751 Registration date: 2010-10-13
 | Subject: Re: New tires for my SWing Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:29 pm | |
| | buddy19520 wrote: | Redeye, I recently had a new front tire installed and my wobble went away completely. The wobble was at higher speeds (not the usual 30 mph wobble), and it was bad.
In the future, I will probably replace front and rear together (even though the front will probably still have life in it).
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Regardless of what was causing the wobble or vibration, getting it to go away sure makes a tremendous difference! |
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