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ThePPH Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 67 Location: Fountain Hills, Arizona Points: 488 Registration date: 2011-04-27
 | Subject: Variator Tool Tue Jul 26, 2011 2:44 pm | |
| I am looking to finally change out my sliders and belt and I need a proper model and place to purchase the Buzzetti variator holding tool. I've seen a few for sale on SIP but I don't want to buy the incorrect model. If someone could link me to the exact piece I wish to purchase I would really appreciate it. For under $40 it seems worth the price to have the proper tool.
Thanks, Scott |
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honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2258 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3606 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:39 pm | |
| | ThePPH wrote: | I am looking to finally change out my sliders and belt and I need a proper model and place to purchase the Buzzetti variator holding tool. I've seen a few for sale on SIP but I don't want to buy the incorrect model. If someone could link me to the exact piece I wish to purchase I would really appreciate it. For under $40 it seems worth the price to have the proper tool.
Thanks, Scott |
The Buzzetti 5637 looks very close to the Honda variator tool. If the pin depth is the same as the Honda variator tool, then you will need a third hand to hold the variator strongly against the variator for first unscrew or final torque ... otherwise it comes out too easily._________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Tue Jul 26, 2011 8:15 pm | |
| Man, why are you so stubborn? Save your money. Make this: http://www.leroybeal.net/motorcycles/silverwing/articles/drivepulleytool/VPT.pdf If you can't make this, then you have no business changing anything on your Swing except the air in your tires! All you need is a drill and a hacksaw. |
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honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2258 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3606 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Tue Jul 26, 2011 10:23 pm | |
| | bigbird wrote: | If you can't make this, then you have no business changing anything on your Swing except the air in your tires! |
This could easily be perceived as an insult ... even with your rolling on the floor.
I chose not to make make Leroy Beal's variator too, for two reasons 1) Someone has too long of a bolt and cracked their variator face 2) Not portable for extremely long trips
_________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:55 am | |
| | honda_silver wrote: |
This could easily be perceived as an insult ... even with your rolling on the floor. |
A little good natured ribbing goes a long way towards having healthy social relations. I guess we'll have to wait for ThePPH to comment on it. If he was insulted, I'll happily edit it. If he thinks it's funny, well......
Why would anyone take a variator tool on a long trip? It would seem much more logical to just change the belt and do any preventative maintenance before leaving. Besides, every small garage in every rural town has an impact gun, which will do just fine in lieu of a variator holding tool. |
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ThePPH Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 67 Location: Fountain Hills, Arizona Points: 488 Registration date: 2011-04-27
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:12 pm | |
| I personally would like the tool for absolute accuracy and for future use. I am quite certain I could take a piece of wood and design with those instructions. I just have a preference for the tool. As far as worrying about me being insulted. It's funny to me and things written down always get taken wrong. It seems as though every time someone writes an email someone else gets offended and its because you can't read someone's face or hear voice inflection, along with a myriad of other social queues that we are conditioned to focus on. So I really just want to get the correct tool and I am merely asking for the exact spot to make such a purchase on line so that I get it right. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:06 pm | |
| | honda_silver wrote: | This could easily be perceived as an insult ... even with your rolling on the floor.
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Here's ThePPH's response:
"As far as worrying about me being insulted. It's funny to me and things written down always get taken wrong."
Maybe you took it wrong Bill, but ThePPH thought it was funny. The difference between sarcasm and wit is often separated by the thinnest of lines.
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Wed Jul 27, 2011 2:07 pm | |
| | ThePPH wrote: | | I personally would like the tool for absolute accuracy and for future use. I am quite certain I could take a piece of wood and design with those instructions. I just have a preference for the tool. So I really just want to get the correct tool and I am merely asking for the exact spot to make such a purchase on line so that I get it right. |
Sorry. I can't help you on this one. There's always the Honda factory tool. |
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honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2258 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3606 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:29 pm | |
| The other Honda pulley holder (only available in the USA) is 07AMB-MCTA100.
This is the pulley holder that screws into the holes from the removed aluminum housing and has two other screws to fit into the variator holes with a large hole for the socket to remove the variator nut. _________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
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"Hi Yo" Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts: 860 Age: 63 Location: North Texas Points: 1835 Registration date: 2010-02-17
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Wed Jul 27, 2011 11:56 pm | |
| [quote=The difference between sarcasm and wit is often separated by the thinnest of lines. [/quote] Sometimes the line is only half there, making me a half-wit. |
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MarkB Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 53 Age: 56 Location: Boston Points: 306 Registration date: 2011-09-19
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:38 pm | |
| One good thing for me out of this thread is that I know now that I'm not ready to take on this challenge. I just ordered the Dr Pulley sliders (thx, Bigbird) and the new belt is on the way but I don't have an impact gun or a variator tool. Fortunately, I did manage to find a good independent mechanic, with whom I want to build a relationship. So, I'll give this job to him. (Also, he hasn't heard of Dr Pulley - so this should be a good introduction.) |
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JeffR_ Site Admin

Number of posts: 340 Age: 52 Location: Fremont, Ca Points: 3683 Registration date: 2010-05-12
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:22 am | |
| Mark, I bought an electric impact wrench at harbor Freight for $40. It max's out at 90 ftlb of torque so it works great. I can change out my stuff in about 1/2 hour using this . I made a "Pictorial" for doing this so it really is very easy to do and saves quite a bit of money. But having a mechanic do it is even easier. _________________ Ride Safe,
JeffR_
Givi Airflow, Dr Pulley Sliders (28gr), Power Commander, Air Hawk, K&N Filter
2007 Silver Wing 34,000 miles 2005 Majesty (sold) 12,500 miles 2004 Reflex (sold) 3,500 miles
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tinman Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 156 Age: 63 Location: Matheson, Ontario, Canada Points: 357 Registration date: 2011-11-29
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:52 am | |
| I prefer to make my own they are easy to make and I have the time. will make one for the secondary clutch .I cat see buying something when I enjoy making it, something to pass the time on a rainy day. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:25 am | |
| Don't waste your time making a rear clutch holder. Just apply the parking brake and also use a zip tie between the rear brake lever and the handle bar. You'll never be able to move the rear wheel that way. What you will need to pull the clutch is Honda's proprietary tool. There's no way around that. |
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tinman Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 156 Age: 63 Location: Matheson, Ontario, Canada Points: 357 Registration date: 2011-11-29
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:49 pm | |
| I have an impact,and parking brake. I was referring to spring removal of the clip for disassembling. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:52 pm | |
| | tinman wrote: | I have an impact,and parking brake. I was referring to spring removal of the clip for disassembling. |
Are you going to remove the clutch, or just the front variator? |
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tinman Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 156 Age: 63 Location: Matheson, Ontario, Canada Points: 357 Registration date: 2011-11-29
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Wed Dec 07, 2011 7:44 pm | |
| the clutch assembly, when it is time for service . The driven pully. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:51 pm | |
| | tinman wrote: | | the clutch assembly, when it is time for service . The driven pully. |
If you need to access the clutch, you'll need this puller to remove the bell:
Honda tool # 07ZMC-MCTA100
Last edited by bigbird on Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:11 am; edited 1 time in total |
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eddy Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 130 Age: 61 Location: Europe Flanders. Points: 1056 Registration date: 2009-11-27
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:49 pm | |
| Bigbird, Your link is not about a silverwing.
One can't inspect the clutch without disassembling.
When unscrewing the central bolt...the whole pulley + clutch block comes out in your hands and then you can inspect or change the pads. The bell stays on the transmission axle.
The Honda tool is only needed when you want the pulley-clutch block taking apart.
Seldom needed. Example when changing the big spring.
Eddy
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tinman Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 156 Age: 63 Location: Matheson, Ontario, Canada Points: 357 Registration date: 2011-11-29
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:05 am | |
| I dont always exsplain thing right ,sorry for the confusion. throw the cow over the fence , some hay. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:10 am | |
| | eddy wrote: | Bigbird, Your link is not about a silverwing. Eddy
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You're right Eddy, it's a Burgy 400. I didn't look close enough. I'll remove that link.
I'm still not sure what exactly tinman wants to disassemble/inspect in the driven face area. |
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tinman Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 156 Age: 63 Location: Matheson, Ontario, Canada Points: 357 Registration date: 2011-11-29
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:23 am | |
| I like to take things apart just to see how they look in there new condition so when I do have a problem and it is not working right. It might give me a reference on the wear and tear ,and what needs to be replaced .Just something to do ,and put back together. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:30 am | |
| Are you planning to pull the cams and have a look at the shims? |
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tinman Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 156 Age: 63 Location: Matheson, Ontario, Canada Points: 357 Registration date: 2011-11-29
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:26 pm | |
| No,not in this case.For what I read on this forum ,if it ain't broke don't fix it . With 5000 kl on my scoot,it will be years before that time comes. For now just for curiosity ,rear wheel removal,. front wheel ,drive train,and the plastic. I bought a service manual,2002 to 2010, very expensive, $137 retail in Canada .I don"t do without it regardless of the price. I have a 750 shadow 1985 service and shop repair manual for sale. I don't need any more . |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3063 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:37 pm | |
| | tinman wrote: | I bought a service manual,2002 to 2010, very expensive, $137 retail in Canada . |
For a heads up to other Canadians, don't buy a service manual from your friendly stealership. The exact same manual is half the price from www.helminc.com |
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tinman Maxi-Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 156 Age: 63 Location: Matheson, Ontario, Canada Points: 357 Registration date: 2011-11-29
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:53 pm | |
| I tried to order one on Ebay and was not abel to complete the order.I had the same problem trying to get silverwing mirror extenders risers for sw . I was abel to order one for VTX 10 mil bolts I hope they fit. |
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Winger61 Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 147 Age: 63 Location: Louth, Lincolnshire, UK Points: 748 Registration date: 2010-10-15
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:43 pm | |
| | tinman wrote: | I had the same problem trying to get silverwing mirror extenders risers for sw . I was abel to order one for VTX 10 mil bolts I hope they fit. |
Gascapdude on ebay does mirror risers/extenders for the Wing - that's where I got mine. Good price, good quality, fast delivery. (just my personal opinion, no connection with him! ) |
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bikerboy Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 95 Age: 68 Location: Leyland England Points: 482 Registration date: 2011-05-12
 | Subject: Re: Variator Tool Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:49 am | |
| +1 on gascapdude, mine got to the UK no problem and the screws appear to be stainless, extenders are also staying black so far !! |
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