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Moonman
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PostSubject: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:15 pm

I have gleaned all info from this most helpful site, however, with all the variables I need someone to verify my findings. (Thanks to y'all for all the info). Smile
I plan to carry a spare belt, steel variator spanner, dry lube, etc as a roadside belt change for me is easier (and quicker) than calling up roadside assist, getting transported home etc.
My 600D has not been "got at" so I assume it has a standard Honda variator (not J. Costa or Malossi).
I believe that I need to buy a Honda belt (which is probably made by Mitsuboshi) and I was going to buy some Dr Pulley sliders (to replace at the same time). I also understand that "pins" are only used on the Costa pulley, so I don't need them.
I plan to change belt and sliders at the 16,000 time but will carry the spares just in case. bom
This should be a breeze job compared to my B650 CVT dramas (now on-sold)...
Another question, is there any reason why dry lube should not be placed on the splined shaft, prior to replacing the variator outer half?
Thanks in anticipation. rabbit
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PostSubject: Re: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:28 pm

Generally, centrifugical force, lubes, and belts don't play well together. Ive never had an issue with removing a driven face before, so its your call.

On another note.
If that's you in the avatar, that's a serious "stache" man! That's badass!
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PostSubject: Re: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:12 am

I would just change the belt, install the new sliders, and call it a day. No need to carry variator tools, belts, and lube on board.

I concur with Tagg. More harm than good can be caused by putting any kind of lube in proximity to a CVT transmission's workings. They are made to run dry. Just dry lube the new sliders on the inside of the inner sheave and then go for a ride.
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PostSubject: Re: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:36 am

Moonman wrote:
I plan to carry a spare belt, steel variator spanner, dry lube, etc as a roadside belt change for me is easier (and quicker) than calling up roadside assist, getting transported home etc.

To loosen the variator nut you may need either
1) 12v DC or portable impact wrench
2) The Honda tool is small an portable, but the pins are shallow which seem to require a third hand. Honda has a different part number that I found in the Service Manual and ordered. It basically a metal plate with long bolts and a hole drilled out of the middle to access to variator nut ... the metal plate is screwed into the screw holes from the aluminum housing that was removed to access the variator nut.

You may need some leverage to brake the variator nut loose and to apply enough torque for tightening.

Moonman wrote:
I plan to change belt and sliders at the 16,000 time but will carry the spares just in case.

Some people keep their old belt as a spare.

With only 16,000 miles on your original OEM rollers ... they should be find to maintain as spares. But if you really like the Dr Pulley sliders you could order another set .... I have both Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Sun Jul 24, 2011 11:42 am

honda_silver wrote:

To loosen the variator nut you may need either
12v DC or portable impact wrench


Just to clarify, you won't need either of those if you have the homebrew variator holder or the Honda variator holder. You'll only need a 1/2" drive ratchet or breaker bar with the appropriate socket.
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PostSubject: Re: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:04 pm

I think we need a bit more info. What year is your 600D and how many miles on the clock? From your other posts you indicated this is a commuter bike for you. Like bigbird I would just change the belt and sliders and call it a day especially if you are at the 16k service point. A 16k belt makes a good spare as do rollers.

If you did want to carry a spare and the tools to install it, my 2¢ would be using a click torque wrench in place of the breakerbar they are about the same size and weight. Bill makes a good point about being able to torque back to spec. This one tool would do all three jobs. The holder is essential. Lube is just too big to carry on board, I wish they made smaller cans.
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PostSubject: Re: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Sun Jul 24, 2011 8:29 pm

masscoot wrote:


If you did want to carry a spare and the tools to install it, my 2¢ would be using a click torque wrench in place of the breakerbar they are about the same size and weight.


Almost all very good quality torque wrenches are "tighten only". You can't reverse them. A precision torque wrench is made for one purpose only, tightening, not loosening. If you go for a low quality torque wrench that is reversible, you might as well just use the breaker bar or 1/2" ratchet. That cheap torque wrench will be very inaccurate compared to the high end wrench. That's been my experience with crappy large torque wrenches.
Most home mechanics don't even know about calibration or how to store a torque wrench long term so it doesn't drift in accuracy.
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PostSubject: Re: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:08 pm

Thanks guys.
So I need to buy a new belt and the good doctor's sliders, and don't lubricate the shaft.
Now, wheres's the best place in the US of A to purchase?
I will obviously not be purchasing them here in Melbourne...
Thanks for yr input.
Moonman
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PostSubject: Re: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:29 pm

Here's where you get the Dr. Pulley sliders in the US:

http://www.buggypartsnw.com/home?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=386&category_id=42

Or here, from their own website:

http://www.drpulley.info/shop/index.php?cPath=1_20

The belt may be cheaper In Oz, due to shipping costs from the US.
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PostSubject: Re: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:37 pm

Moonman wrote:
So I need to buy a new belt and the good doctor's sliders, and don't lubricate the shaft.
Now, wheres's the best place in the US of A to purchase?


Dr Pulley sliders are available from Australia-----Scooter Doctor Pty Ltd.,www.performancecvt.com.au

Is there a reason why you want to buy in the USA??

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PostSubject: Re: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:37 am

Other than reaching 16,000 mi, is there any ride indication of possible need to change the belt and rollers earlier? (other than drifting to the side of the road).
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PostSubject: Re: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Wed Aug 17, 2011 10:55 am

tubeck wrote:
Other than reaching 16,000 mi, is there any ride indication of possible need to change the belt and rollers earlier?


Nothing. I have 37,000 miles on my belt, which I will change when the weather is cooler.

I have only heard of one belt snapping less then 16,000 miles ... as I recall it was with a J Costa Variator.

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PostSubject: the homebrew variator holder or the Honda variator holder.    Sun Aug 28, 2011 9:12 am

homebrew variator holder or the Honda variator holder. How do I make the variator holder. Pleeease
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PostSubject: Re: Belt Change - simplified facts...   Sun Aug 28, 2011 10:43 am

john123 wrote:
homebrew variator holder or the Honda variator holder. How do I make the variator holder. Pleeease


here's one:

http://leroybeal.net/motorcycles/silverwing/articles/drivepulleytool/drivepulleytool.html

here's the one I made:

http://www.leroybeal.net/motorcycles/silverwing/articles/drivepulleytool/VPT.pdf
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