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steveR Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 175 Location: Shropshire, God's own county! Points: 635 Registration date: 2011-03-23
 | Subject: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:44 am | |
| This was a real pain as i was on a trip around Scotland late last week and the w/e and the seat jammed so that I could not open it and get at the gear inside the boot!  Not good.... The rear catch is opening OK, and I was able to squeeze some stuff out, but only clothes and the like... The seat appears to have either a 2nd catch around the middle of the seat, or has jammed, as the seat wobbles back and forth at the front end when the rear catch has been opened. I have tried brute force, that didn't work. I have tried putting pressure on the middle area when turning the boot key, no joy either. Anyone had this or can recommend a way to get at the inside? I did fit a new gas strut before I went away, and did wonder if that was jammed, but when squeezing the seat up, it appears to be free, and with pressure should open anyway. |
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Tagg Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 439 Points: 1082 Registration date: 2010-11-14
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:51 am | |
| Someone needs to come up with a secret pull cord somewhere up under the side panel for things like this. |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru

Number of posts: 2397 Points: 4095 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:08 am | |
| Hey Tag,
How about a solid "T" looking bracket that bolts in-place of the stock Honda center seat bracket. The down side would be the center of the seat would not lock up, but on the other side of the coin, a person would never need to worry about having that cable, latch or latch spring failing when on a trip. If a person just removed the Honda bracket, would the center part of the seat move from side to side? (If I still had my bike I would try that out). That's why I'm thinking a solid "T" type bracket. |
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wingnprayer Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 155 Points: 1300 Registration date: 2009-06-27
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 8:18 am | |
| I've had this as well. The way I've managed to open it is to press down hard on the centre of the seat while pulling upwards at the back. I think the cause of this issue is too much stuff in the compartment. |
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Tagg Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 439 Points: 1082 Registration date: 2010-11-14
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:07 am | |
| | DennisB wrote: | Hey Tag,
How about a solid "T" looking bracket that bolts in-place of the stock Honda center seat bracket. The down side would be the center of the seat would not lock up, but on the other side of the coin, a person would never need to worry about having that cable, latch or latch spring failing when on a trip. If a person just removed the Honda bracket, would the center part of the seat move from side to side? (If I still had my bike I would try that out). That's why I'm thinking a solid "T" type bracket. |
I just went out and looked at mine, and that would work, the downside being a lot of "getting down into it". From what i see, it serves no purpose other than additional security, and maybe a sure, tight seal on the box. If that's the case, anyone wanting in the box that bad is just going to take the whole bike anyway, it would take a while to cut into the seat enough to steal stuff.
More simply, one could just cut off the u bolt that serves as a latch bar in the front position. Unbolting it would be possible, but it mounts from the top, so you would have to tear into the top of your seat, remove it, then reupholster it. |
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steveR Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 175 Location: Shropshire, God's own county! Points: 635 Registration date: 2011-03-23
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:09 am | |
| | wingnprayer wrote: | | I've had this as well. The way I've managed to open it is to press down hard on the centre of the seat while pulling upwards at the back. I think the cause of this issue is too much stuff in the compartment. |
Tried this with no joy! Where did you put the pressure, can you remember? This a real pain, I have gear I need out, and I want to use the bike again on Tuesday, 48hrs from now...  |
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steveR Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 175 Location: Shropshire, God's own county! Points: 635 Registration date: 2011-03-23
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:11 am | |
| | DennisB wrote: |
....on the other side of the coin, a person would never need to worry about having that cable, latch or latch spring failing when on a trip. If a person just removed the Honda bracket, would the center part of the seat move from side to side? (If I still had my bike I would try that out). That's why I'm thinking a solid "T" type bracket. |
So I guess from this, that it may well be a cable operating a second catch that is the cause of the problem. Bummer! |
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Tagg Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 439 Points: 1082 Registration date: 2010-11-14
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:19 am | |
| On a side note. The projector beams in the eyebrow of the front lens idea is a bust. It works but there if far to much fabrication to make it viable. So now were working on using pig spotter mirror cases to accomplish the same thing, mounted on the upper, outside w piece between the windscreen, and the turn signal, looks like it might just work out fine!
And the cut back driver seat bolster is coming along slowly but surely! |
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Tagg Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 439 Points: 1082 Registration date: 2010-11-14
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Tagg Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 439 Points: 1082 Registration date: 2010-11-14
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:41 am | |
| | DennisB wrote: | Hey Tag, If a person just removed the Honda bracket, would the center part of the seat move from side to side? (If I still had my bike I would try that out). That's why I'm thinking a solid "T" type bracket. |
Dennis. Looks like it also serves as a limiting device, allowing the seat plate to travel only so far down, so . . . . . . . |
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thomphoto Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 188 Age: 75 Location: Owensboro, Kentucky Points: 1313 Registration date: 2009-06-11
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:04 am | |
| When I switched to the Corbin seat, I didn't install the center latch, and I've had no problems whatsoever. I don't see what purpose the center one serves. |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru

Number of posts: 2397 Points: 4095 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:43 am | |
| A person could weld a small piece of the steel into the original Honda seat catch that attaches to the bottom, center of the seat and make it a no-lockable catch. The piece of steel needs to be the same gauge as the Honda round stock used in the catch...It would work. Does any have the original Honda Part number for the catches (2) that bolt to the bottom of the seat. I have looked on 3 different Honda dealer sights with no results. |
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dspevack Site Admin

Number of posts: 1147 Age: 47 Location: Miami, FL Points: 2589 Registration date: 2008-12-27
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:54 am | |
| Umm...which latch is it that closes the circuit for the interior light to come on? If its the front latch then that is a concern by removing or modifying it too.
Dan _________________ I ride on two wheels cause I feel very unsafe on one wheel.Dan in Miami. The king of custom! Check out my bike mods hereReality is irrelevant. Its perception that counts. Control people's perceptions, and you control their reality. |
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru

Number of posts: 2397 Points: 4095 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:56 am | |
| Dan, It's the rear latch that does the light |
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Opalsboy Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1279 Age: 67 Location: Rison, Arkansas Points: 2696 Registration date: 2009-01-10
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:13 am | |
| Steve this has happened to me a bunch of times. Most times I was able to get it open by pressing down in the center of the seat. Once, that did not work and I apologize that I can't remember who suggested this, but it worked.
Have someone (or yourself) sit on the seat while turning the key to open the latch. Worked like magic. Hasn't happened again. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3062 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:02 pm | |
| Tagg, can't quite make out the tat on your arm. What does it say? Is it in Spanish? |
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craigory Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 104 Location: California Points: 488 Registration date: 2011-06-25
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:25 pm | |
| After installing the Utopia backrest I discovered that the original gas strut wasn't strong enough, so I installed a stronger one and that fixed the problem. However, after that the middle catch on the seat often refused to release because there was always pressure against it when I unlocked the rear latch. Because the hook was pulling hard against the latch the friction wouldn't let it slide back across the catch to retract. A sharp whack or two of the fist at that position of the seat always lets it release because it momentarily removes it from contact with the hook and it is able to retract. The person above who mentioned unlocking while sitting on the seat is doing the same thing - take the pressure off the center catch so that it can retract. Hope that helps! |
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joncallihan Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts: 786 Age: 74 Location: Lafayette, Colorado, USA Points: 2109 Registration date: 2009-02-16
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:25 pm | |
| | DennisB wrote: | Does any have the original Honda Part number for the catches (2) that bolt to the bottom of the seat. I have looked on 3 different Honda dealer sights with no results. | Dennis, Honda Parts Direct lists the center latch as 12 CATCH, SEAT 77230-MCT-000 the rear latch as 10 CATCH, RR. SEAT 77220-MEF-000 The support bar as 19 STAY, SEAT CATCH 77250-MCT-010
I see no reason that the cable to the catch cannot just be disabled (at either end).
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DennisB Silver Wing Guru

Number of posts: 2397 Points: 4095 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:27 pm | |
| Jon, Good try, but no cigar. The 2 catches that bolt to the bottom of the seat are the same and they are not listed on the web sight. If you open your Silverwing seat and look at the bottom, you will see the 2 catches that are bolted to the bottom of the seat. They are just not listed or shown on the drawing. |
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steveR Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 175 Location: Shropshire, God's own county! Points: 635 Registration date: 2011-03-23
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:16 pm | |
| | Tagg wrote: |
The forward seat latch is directly under my 2 fingers, its more forward than you think it is.
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Thanks for the pic Tagg, I'll have another go in the morning now I have a better idea of where to put pressure.....  |
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steveR Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 175 Location: Shropshire, God's own county! Points: 635 Registration date: 2011-03-23
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:19 pm | |
| | craigory wrote: | | A sharp whack or two of the fist at that position of the seat always lets it release because it momentarily removes it from contact with the hook and it is able to retract. The person above who mentioned unlocking while sitting on the seat is doing the same thing - take the pressure off the center catch so that it can retract. Hope that helps! |
If all else fails, I will put some serious weight on the seat.... Give me 5 minutes while i get the wife.......
Thanks for the advice. |
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steveR Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 175 Location: Shropshire, God's own county! Points: 635 Registration date: 2011-03-23
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:22 pm | |
| | Opalsboy wrote: | Steve this has happened to me a bunch of times. Most times I was able to get it open by pressing down in the center of the seat. Once, that did not work and I apologize that I can't remember who suggested this, but it worked.
Have someone (or yourself) sit on the seat while turning the key to open the latch. Worked like magic. Hasn't happened again. |
Thanks Gary, I tried pressing down while my daughter operated the seat but had no joy earlier, I'll try sitting on the seat next.  |
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Tagg Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 439 Points: 1082 Registration date: 2010-11-14
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:50 pm | |
| | bigbird wrote: | | Tagg, can't quite make out the tat on your arm. What does it say? Is it in Spanish? |
Latin.
Where your life may take you God goes with the holy warrior |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3062 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:59 pm | |
| | Tagg wrote: |
Latin.
Where your life may take you God goes with the holy warrior |
Interesting.
Mine would say, in hieroglyphics:
"Aliens are responsible for everything"
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Tagg Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 439 Points: 1082 Registration date: 2010-11-14
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:02 pm | |
| | steveR wrote: | | Opalsboy wrote: | Steve this has happened to me a bunch of times. Most times I was able to get it open by pressing down in the center of the seat. Once, that did not work and I apologize that I can't remember who suggested this, but it worked.
Have someone (or yourself) sit on the seat while turning the key to open the latch. Worked like magic. Hasn't happened again. |
Thanks Gary, I tried pressing down while my daughter operated the seat but had no joy earlier, I'll try sitting on the seat next.  |
Have someone hold the key turned, then give the latch area a good sharp rap with your hand. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3062 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:04 pm | |
| | Tagg wrote: |
Have someone hold the key turned, then give the latch area a good sharp rap with your hand. |
I'm not a big fan of rap. Will your trick work with some Led Zeppelin rock instead? |
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Tagg Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 439 Points: 1082 Registration date: 2010-11-14
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:10 pm | |
| | bigbird wrote: | | Tagg wrote: |
Latin.
Where your life may take you God goes with the holy warrior |
Interesting.
Mine would say, in hieroglyphics:
"Aliens are responsible for everything"
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Hmmmm.
Mayan, or Egyptian? hieroglyphic wise that is. Both civilizations had the same fascination with the sky. Interesting when you consider the independent development of each society |
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Tagg Silver Wing Rider


Number of posts: 439 Points: 1082 Registration date: 2010-11-14
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:16 pm | |
| | bigbird wrote: | | Tagg wrote: |
Have someone hold the key turned, then give the latch area a good sharp rap with your hand. |
I'm not a big fan of rap. Will your trick work with some Led Zeppelin rock instead? |
Funny you should say that. I had a dream last week where someone was on the news and said that Mick Jagger had passed away, and that rock and roll as you know it, has died. All of which has nothing whatsoever to do with a effin stuck seat latch! So there you go!
Long live the the Rolling freaking Stones! |
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"Hi Yo" Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts: 860 Age: 63 Location: North Texas Points: 1834 Registration date: 2010-02-17
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:25 pm | |
| If all else fails, I will put some serious weight on the seat.... Give me 5 minutes while i get the wife....... Thanks for the advice.[/quote] Looks like we may have another member in the hospital and unable to ride. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2165 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3062 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Seat jammed shut Sun Jul 17, 2011 4:26 pm | |
| | Tagg wrote: | Hmmmm.
Mayan, or Egyptian? hieroglyphic wise that is. Both civilizations had the same fascination with the sky. Interesting when you consider the independent development of each society |
Definitely Egyptian. I am a big believer in ancient alien intervention. It explains a lot of things that the bible and science cannot. What this has to do with a stuck seat latch is way beyond my scope of comprehension.
I had a dream about old man Soichiro Honda, who started the ball rolling. He came back from the heavens on a scooter powered by a VFR 800 engine, connected to a DN-01 style hydrostatic transmission, applying drive power to the rear wheel via a shaft. |
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