Kurt, thanks for the pics (and thanks, Dat, for posting them).

I'm definitely interested. I've been looking for months for side mounts - for hard bags and also some crash protection.

How much are you awaking for them?

I took a closer look at mooredportside's design and I think there will be a problem for those of us with GIVI topcases. Namely, we won't be able to remove the side covers to do any upgrades/maintenance without first removing the topcase mount and then the sidecase mounts.

If I recall Randybuck's design, the mounts seem to be an inch our two further out, so he can probably remove the side covers directly. Is this right, Randybuck?

I went on the twistedthrottle.com site and they had some side mounts that work with the Givi Monokey side cases for the Silverwing.

I would post the link but I'm not sure how.

They do not list a price. I think they must have to get them from Germany because the instructions are in German.

I emailed them for some info. They look pretty nice.

As I said elswhere, the Fehlings racks are listed for the Silverwing SWT 400/600, not the FJS, etc.

http://fehling.de/index.php?content=preise&markenid=6&lang=de

It would be necessary to find out if they can be modified to fit or if the fittings are the same.

Somehow I doubt it.

If you Google for the site instead of following my link, you can translate the page.

Since CathyN found it on TwistedThrottle (where I bought half of my upgrades), I just sent them an email asking if they could modify it for the FSC600. I also offered them the loan of my bike, since I live about an hour away from them (in Boston). I'll let you know what they say.

MikeO, thanks for the link to Fehling. It looks like they have crashbars for the FJS (FSC) which I've been hanckering for. Does Fehling have a US distributer other that TwistedThrottle? (TT isn't offering the rollbars)

Thank's Bill.

I got an email back from TT they are waiting on pricing and delivery. They will contact me when they know something.

Hello Mark. I've seen the Fehlings crash bars on a Silverwing and they look good.
I can't say whether there is a supplier in the States; when I wanted them for my X9 (in the UK) I ordered them direct from Fehlings.
Protect the sleeved joints with a dob of something - I used Vaseline - as they tend to rust a tiny bit.

+1

I took MikeO's suggestion and ordered a full set of crashbars directly from Fehling. (If you click on the American flag on the upper right of their webpage, it will take you to their main page - but everything is in English.)



The only item shown here which you cannot order is the protection for the muffler. I emailed them about it and they simply replied that it is not being offered.

I did ask them whether the GIVI side mounts - shown in Honda_Silver's post above - can be mounted on the FSC600 and they said no, it will not fit the bike. I don't know how much trouble it would be to adjust them.

The side rack mount shown attached to a SW-T is similar to an older mount from GIVI that was made for the FSC/FJS. This mount was only available for the RH (muffler/silencer) side of the bike as it picked up the hard point mount used by the muffler/silencer.

The Fehling rails are not a solution for mounting quick release bags or boxes on the Silverwing although they can be used as a (questionalble) hard point for bolting boxes to the bike, by bolting them directly onto the rails. I say questionable because there is no engineering data to back up the durability of them as load bearing structure. There was a member (Reinaldo) from the SF Bay area on the Yahoo Group who used them to mount hard GIVI boxes. I'm not certain that he was overly pleased with the result; even though it was functional, it was not aesthetically pleasing.

I think apples and oranges are being compared. Fehling does make Guards for those who wish to turn scooter in "honda davidson"


HOWEVER-----they do make saddle bag mounts for the SilverWing! I would choose GIVI E-21 bags to do such an operation as they are top loading.

I recall added accessories, especially load bearing need to be entered into title and have one of two type of approval in Germany. Or? So German stuff usually won't fall off and kill somebody. Only bad thing I have heard= their chrome needs to be taken care of. Where/how to get, might take some work in US. If your partsman is as stupid as one I just dealt with in selling dealership for new scooter I bought----good luck. I wonder how mine knows way to bathroom or lunch room.

Yes, please do not think I was comparing the two. Both items have appeared in this thread but each is designed for a different purpose and each is a unique product.

so in summary - two products:

1. - Rack Mounts - GIVI only manufacturer I am aware of. The rack shown earlier in this thread will accept any (as I understand it) GIVI monokey case. My preference, as John agrees, are those cases designed for the side with a top opening including the E21 and the E41.

2. - Fehling Rails - In my opinion they are primarily a cosmetic device. They may prevent a minor scrape, but most likely will just transfer the force (and resultant crack) to another spot in the plastic, probably the attachment point.

Additionally I was simply relaying the reality that someone had used the railings to mount a set of hard cases to the bike. I would not have done so as it is (in my opinion) a poor idea.

Look up Fehling.de and you will see mounts they make for saddle bags.

Yes John they do indeed make them. Thank you for the link, most helpful: http://www.fehling.de/index.php?content=preise&markenid=6&lang=eng

You can see that the rack used is like the one shown above (for SW-T) and prices are included on the page in Euro's.

Product: Side Case Holder for Givi/Kappa Cruiser Cases
Order No.: 7811 KH HO SWT 400/600
pair
Ero w/o tax: 130,55
Euro incl 19% tax: 155,35

The column for "pair" is not labeled, but they only show the RH side. So is a LH side also available as part of a pair?

The racks are sold as pair(paar) should fit US model SilverWing as there has been no plastic changes I know of.

Twisted Throttle probably can get them.

I agree with you on the fit issues John. But they only show it listed as available for the SW-T 400 600 model, not the FSC/FJS 400 600 models.

I have e-mailed them to find out if there is a LH side as I know how the RH would be mounted, but have some question about the LH side.

From my perspective the SW-T model is just a cosmetic change of the lights - front and rear as well as changes to the front cover and the rear sides. Nothing of substance, just pushing the colors around and adding flat black spaces to give the impression of a new bike.

I've seen quite a few scooters over in Germany fitted with Fehling chrome rails, mainly on the Honda Helix and older Burgmans and I just think why? They're just chromed cosmetic junk to tart your scooter up in the same way that Gold Wing owners seem compelled to cover their bikes in useless chrome tat. It makes your scooter look dated, cheap, and it's just something that will rust as soon as they start salting the roads.

As for side rails for hard cases or panniers how much storage do you really need? You already have 55 litres under the seat, and usually another 45-55 litres with a top case. It's easy to supplement that with a tunnel bag, and a waterproof bag on the passenger seat. Throw a pair of soft saddlebags on when you are touring with a passenger, or be a bit more selective about the amount of stuff you pack.

Meldrew I agree with you about the railings and they are not my cup of tea, but then so many other items that people add to their rides are not in my desire list either.

My wife and I tend to pack as smart as possible and I, in principle, agree with you - less is more. In practice I've noticed over the years that I have found more things that I can't be without for a 10 - 14 day ride out into the country. At present we only put the top case (GIVI V46) onto the bike if we absolutely must. It doesn't go on if we are only going to be out for a long weekend. We don't have tunnel bags or a waterproof bag for the seat or saddlebags and I doubt I'll ever install side cases, but for those who would like to install them - I'll do what I can as a site admin to help them out.

Having lived out of a ruck lashed to the side of my track for more than a couple of months I'm pretty low maintenance on the clothes required. Clean socks and undies and I'm ready for the day...

How much storage do you really need? I can only answer that for myself. Others may have more need.

The only things I'd hang from the Fehlings bars are towels - they just aren't strong enough for mounting boxes.

As John said - and so have I - the chrome is not the best quailty. It can't be stressed enough that it rusts at the joints unless protected.
One is looking at £400 to have it stripped and redone properly - that's for the complete set.

I recieved a reply from Fehling GmbH regarding my question of the item listed as a "pair".

Hello,

sorry, but we haven´t other photo. The left side is identical to the optically.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards

Ernst Fehling GmbH & Co.
Gabi Fehling

So, now the only questions I have outstanding are:

1. Does this mount fit on the FSC/FJS model SilverWing?
2. How do they mount on the LH side?

And apparently the ever present question regarding the Fehling rails - How do you defeat the (inevitable?) rust?

Vaseline on the joints - it works for stone-chips on car bodywork, too.

WD 40 works, too. Wash bike weekly.

And the folks from Fehling GmbH have responded to my query about the SW-T racks fitting on the FSC/FJS model:

Dear Dale,

We designed the parts for the new SW-T models, we have not checked if they will fit the FJS models.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards

Ernst Fehling GmbH & Co.
Joachim Fehling

I'm inclined to think the racks will indeed fit on the FSC/FJS model. I say this because the rack that is shown (RH) looks just like the rack that GIVI used to build for the RH side of the bike. However, GIVI did not make one for the LH side and so I have never seen how this rack would attach.

My thought on the racks shown on the Twisted Throttle website - they are merely retailing the Fehling product.

Kudo's to Fehling GmbH though for stepping up and offering the product and for answering the questions. I may have to go back and ask them if they will offer site members a small discount...

Well, from all the latest posts, it looks like I may have been burned. I ordered a full set of chrome - I would have preferred black powdercoat but all they offer is chrome - from them because I couldn't find protection anywhere else (and I do mean anywhere! Google lead me nowhere.). I've already dropped the bike a couple of times and I hate wrecking the tupperware.

Oh well. I haven't received them yet so I can't comment on them. Thanks for the tips on Vasaline and WD40.

It's funny reading about putting Vaseline on chrome to prevent rusting.

I did that in the late '50s on my British made bikes (Ariels) every Fall. It only took about a week for the Vaseline coating to go black from all the road grime from my daily 40 mile commute. Cleaned it all off in the Spring & chrome was rust free!

Dale,

The reply Fehling gave me was that the 7811 side mounts would not fit the FJS/FSC models. If you look closely at the photo I would tend to agree. It looks like the SWT has a much flatter side covering and the mount hugs it very closely. Our FSC models have a very definite V-shaped side covering which could very well interfere with the fitting.

Pleased you've established that, Mark. It's easy to miss the exact model when looking down lists of accessories.