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PostSubject: Fuel Consumption   Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:10 am

So, as a new Swing owner, what fuel consumption should I be expecting on a longish trip, loaded with camping gear etc. ? Imperial MPG Smile

Some motorway work (to channel ports) then mainly equivilant of A and B roads on the continent. I am just working some budgets out over the coming weeks! The guys I will be with are "mature" riders, all riding big trailies and the like so no "bum in the air" nonsense Wink

I am working on 45-50mpg average.... is this realistic?
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:31 pm

Hi Steve welcome to the forum I don't think you are to far out with your estimate I'm only getting around 35 or so but I do ride bloody hard always have and as my wife said always will.my swing has got 68000 miles on so maybe this doesn't help nor does the mallossi variator with 21gram rollers but it ain't have fun ride safe mate
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Tue Apr 05, 2011 4:53 pm

I have been getting 54 on the freeway with my gear.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:42 pm

The guys I will be with are "mature" riders, all riding big trailies and the like so no "bum in the air" nonsense

rolling laughter rolling laughter rolling laughter

yeah, right.

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:26 pm

KurtPerthWA wrote:
The guys I will be with are "mature" riders, all riding big trailies and the like so no "bum in the air" nonsense

rolling laughter rolling laughter rolling laughter

yeah, right.



You know the type too!

I even refrained from the "Babygrow Power Rangers" type remark that often prefaces less than complimentary remaks about sports bike riders... well some of them Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Tue Apr 05, 2011 11:29 pm

lesley & John wrote:
Hi Steve welcome to the forum I don't think you are to far out with your estimate I'm only getting around 35 or so but I do ride bloody hard always have and as my wife said always will.my swing has got 68000 miles on so maybe this doesn't help nor does the mallossi variator with 21gram rollers but it ain't have fun ride safe mate


35 MPG!! Gulp! My 3litre 4wd farm truck can almost manage that, you must really be caning the poor beastie! I do wonder whether the "twist n'go aspect encourages hard acceleration? Smile

Gotta admit that a couple of bigger bike trips were an eye opener to me as regards fuel consumption. 3000miles, 2 Transalp 650's averaged about 47MPG, Triumph Tiger averaged 55MPG. All carrying similiar weight and gear. Put me in the Dolomites riding with a local guy on a Yam 900 twin, playing sill bu**ers, my fuel usage increased to an amazing 32-34MPG. I blamed the altitude not the riders right hand Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:07 am

Hi steveR.

I ride on all kinds of roads either on my own for short journeys of say 50 miles, at a reasonable pace, and also on longer club runs which are quite a bit more energetic to say the least and can be from 100 miles up to 300 miles a run.

I was a little dubious about getting a SW as I had heard and read that the MPG return on a SW was not very good but I went ahead and bought one anyway.

Since I got the SW, in September last year, I have been pleasantly surprised to have averaged out a return of 60 MPG (Imperial) with a max 64 mpg / min 57 mpg return.

My Burgman 400 averaged 74 MPG and the X Max 250 I had for a while last year averaged 85 MPG.

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Wed Apr 06, 2011 1:28 am

mitch wrote:


Since I got the SW, in September last year, I have been pleasantly surprised to have averaged out a return of 60 MPG (Imperial) with a max 64 mpg / min 57 mpg return.

My Burgman 400 averaged 74 MPG and the X Max 250 I had for a while last year averaged 85 MPG.



Cheers Mitch, that is an impressive return I have to say. Is a newer machine? I ask, as I am wondering if the more recent machines maybe have a better fueling setup?

Very good for the Burgerwan, but the 400 is known for that. Stay out of the cities is usually the answer... to many questions!
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Wed Apr 06, 2011 12:04 pm

steveR,

My SW was first registered in March 2010.

It was a demonstrator and the salesman at the dealership used it as often as he could, as he really enjoyed driving it, to commute to and from work (about 74 mile round trip) and so the mileage was quite high at 4600 when I bought it last September.

Perhaps the longer / frequent runs, from new, helped the mpg.

Hopefully it will keep on returning this level of mpg.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:10 pm

Hello Steve.

I consistently get 46 miles to the gallon (US) when commuting on the interstate at about 75 mph and US highway at 65 mph. I recently went on a trip of 62 miles each way where about one third were smaller roads, doing about 45 to 50 mph and that brought my economy up to 50.5 mpg.

I read on the japanese site for Honda that the SW should give you 30 km/l (about 70.5 mpg) at 60 km/h, about 38 mph.

But again, the SW in Japan may, or may not come with the heavier variator rollers that come OEM in some parts of Asia.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Wed Apr 06, 2011 2:48 pm

I have a J Costa variator in my Swing, and ride it kind of hard. Fast starts all the time. However, I don't like Interstates and take secondary roads instead. Top constant speeds are usually no more than 70 mph indicated.

The worst tankful that I have ever seen was just over 44 mpg US (dead of winter) and the best about 53 mpg US. Probably 90% of my fill-ups are 47-51 mpg US. I have put about 10,300 miles on the bike.

From my reading, I feel that sustained speeds over 70 mph start to really hurt mile per gallon figures.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:15 pm

I get 54MPG consistently when I buy gas here in Missouri (10% ethanol required by law) but I can get 60 or 61 when I go down to Arkansas and buy pure gas.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:23 pm

WOW smorkle, That's some GREAT MPG!
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:37 pm

If I ride the speed limits I get around 50 mpg. But when I avg 75 (gps) in the interstate I get about 42-44 mpg. I'm happy with it since I generally go the speed limit mostly now. For a nice smooth ride with plenty of storage it is well worth the mileage.

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Wed Apr 06, 2011 6:50 pm

I'm getting between 53 and 56 MPG (that's US gallons) consistently and it doesn't seem to waver from that range whether I baby it or run 90+ on the superslab. But as I've mentioned elsewhere, where I live the earth truly is flat...
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:47 am

mitch wrote:
steveR,

My SW was first registered in March 2010.

Perhaps the longer / frequent runs, from new, helped the mpg.

Hopefully it will keep on returning this level of mpg.


I would too!
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Thu Apr 07, 2011 3:54 am

As you are a uk rider, you should really listen to people who ride the same kind of roads as you. I do about 200mls a week all year round riding for pleasure.I mainly ride in Lancashire and Yorkshire so plenty of hills and country lanes. I bought my Silverwing in May last year, it was registered in Feb07. It had 1300mls when i got it and iam now coming up to 8000mls. I never get less than 58-60mls per gall. I check tyre press weekly as well as oil. I have recently fitted a new rear tyre. It passed M.O.T.no problems. The only extra thing i do is put a measure of Redex every time i fillup.It might be worth mentioning that a US gall is less than a Uk gall.I hope you enjoy your swing as much as i do. Safe and enjoyable riding to you SteveR
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:31 am

Old Limey wrote:
As you are a uk rider, you should really listen to people who ride the same kind of roads as you. .....

......It might be worth mentioning that a US gall is less than a Uk gall.I hope you enjoy your swing as much as i do. Safe and enjoyable riding to you SteveR


Thanks old fellah and the same to you too, it does feel as if the Winter may be over, it sure has been a long one!! I thought that the "UK" section may be best for just the reasons you suggest Smile

As we know "our" gallon has more in it than in the US by about 20%... Sorry you guys in Texas, not everything you have is the biggest...!!

At present, I am going round the bike checking and tweaking odds and sods to sharpen up the handling if possible as it doesn't feel as "planted" on the road as a bike this weight should, the tyre pressures were all to cock when I got the bike and the rear shocks were on 5 which was too hard for a solo rider. I am wondering if the front forks may benefit from some fresh oil as although it is only 10K miles, it is 8 years old. I hope to get a good ride out today/tomorrow of 180-200 miles and really get a proper feel for it and find out if the Swing will do what i hope it will. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Thu Apr 07, 2011 6:07 am

steveR wrote:

At present, I am going round the bike checking and tweaking odds and sods to sharpen up the handling if possible as it doesn't feel as "planted" on the road as a bike this weight should, the tyre pressures were all to cock when I got the bike and the rear shocks were on 5 which was too hard for a solo rider. I am wondering if the front forks may benefit from some fresh oil as although it is only 10K miles, it is 8 years old. I hope to get a good ride out today/tomorrow of 180-200 miles and really get a proper feel for it and find out if the Swing will do what i hope it will. Smile


When I test rode the SW I felt the handling was quite strange i.e. loose and spongy at the front as compared to the ER6F I had at the time, to the X Max 250 just prior to that and to other maxi scooters I have had before before.

I knew, at the time, that all bikes were different and hoped I would get used to the SW handling especially it seemed that the front was the problem rather than the back.

I also knew from the forum that the front can be beefed up at not too great an expense.

Anyway I bought the SW and after I put a few good runs on the bike I very quickly became used to the handling and built up my trust in the bike.

I am now of the opinion that, overall, the standard SW handles very well indeed and I do not think about it other that the adjustment of the rear shocks.

I am 5ft 11" and just over 200 lbs when fully booted and suited, have my rear shocks set at 2 for normal solo use and up it to 3 for faster and more demanding runs.

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Thu Apr 07, 2011 7:25 am

Touching the subject of handling, it took me a few rides to get used to tilting the bike with my hips instead of my knees pushing the tank, as in the 599 Hornet I had before.

I also, soon realized that tight turns work better if you tilt your torso forward to shift the weight balance in favor of the front wheel; it feels more under control and I'm able to lean the bike much more while feeling confident of its stability.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:48 am

mitch wrote:


I knew, at the time, that all bikes were different and hoped I would get used to the SW handling especially it seemed that the front was the problem rather than the back.

Anyway I bought the SW and after I put a few good runs on the bike I very quickly became used to the handling and built up my trust in the bike.

I am 5ft 11" and just over 200 lbs when fully booted and suited, have my rear shocks set at 2 for normal solo use and up it to 3 for faster and more demanding runs.



Thanks Mitch, I may have to back off the rear a bit more then according to your experience, albeit with mine being a much older bike!

I was not expecting sports bike handling but had hoped it would be on a par with a big trailie like my Transalp. However, that has been modified and tweaked over many years so I am used to it's ways... Smile A bit like a marriage really!


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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:51 am

alejom wrote:
Touching the subject of handling, it took me a few rides to get used to tilting the bike with my hips instead of my knees pushing the tank, as in the 599 Hornet I had before.

I also, soon realized that tight turns work better if you tilt your torso forward to shift the weight balance in favor of the front wheel; it feels more under control and I'm able to lean the bike much more while feeling confident of its stability.


Thanks for that alejom.

The lack of tank to push down on is I suspect one of the real differences, that and holding the bike into a bend with the knees too. I will try your technique of pushing my torso forward, and in fact found that for a bit of bend swinging the whole feel was better if I pulled my feet back in a more "motorcycle" stance which will put a bit more weight to the bars as you say
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Mon Apr 11, 2011 12:54 pm

steveR wrote:
So, as a new Swing owner, what fuel consumption should I be expecting on a longish trip, loaded with camping gear etc. ? Imperial MPG Smile

I am working on 45-50mpg average.... is this realistic?


Well, as most of the UK was being washed with sunshine, I decided I should go and see if Wales was OK after the winter!

Happily, it was Smile I did a 4hr run out, mixed roads from a bit of fast dual carriageway, A and B roads and a bit of sillyness. On the way back, I stopped in Welshpool and filled up for the last stretch home. 144 miles had used 11litres, so a bit less than 70mpg. Very impressive even with just a solo and no luggage.

The fuel gauge looks to be like most bike gauges, a guide only as with one bar flashing it only took 13l to fill at the station at the of the day... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Tue Apr 12, 2011 12:56 pm

SteveR, fuel consumption on the Swing gauge usually works like this:

First bar comes off the scale after one US gallon.

Each of the next bars (skinny ones) falls away after about 12-15 miles.

When the last bar (fat one) starts to flash, there will be one US gallon left.

Even knowing the UK gallon is larger, that 70 mpg figure is terrific. If a UK gallon is about 20% more, that's still like 56 mpg US.

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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Tue Apr 12, 2011 1:36 pm

buddy19520 wrote:
SteveR, fuel consumption on the Swing gauge usually works like this:

First bar comes off the scale after one US gallon.

Each of the next bars (skinny ones) falls away after about 12-15 miles.

When the last bar (fat one) starts to flash, there will be one US gallon left.

Even knowing the UK gallon is larger, that 70 mpg figure is terrific. If a UK gallon is about 20% more, that's still like 56 mpg US.



Thanks Philip. I will make a proper note of usage next time I am out and compare it to your guide. I reckon usage will go up as I become more familiar with the bike... and engine! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Wed Apr 13, 2011 12:28 am

Just been riding SW UK. On motorways got over 62mpg, but country lanes/towns dropped to 55mpg
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Wed Apr 13, 2011 1:22 am

I envy you all getting 60 -70 MPG (UK galls). My 'Wing' is giving me around 45 - 53 right now. (I am canning it though.) Well over legal motorway speeds when the roads are clear!!!!! So I am not too disappointed in the fuel return.

When my sensible head kicks in, which won't be long as it is getting near holiday season and loads of folk unfamiliar with the roads and just generally bimbling around, I will resume my usual summer plod and see a better fuel return.
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PostSubject: Re: Fuel Consumption   Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:45 am

Just done a 111 mile round trip, mostly 'A' roads at 60-65mph, short stretches of dual carriageway 70-80mph, two-up, and into some very blustery winds at times. 55.5 mpg, (UK gallons, obviously), I'm well pleased. Smile
Only slight downside - I had to switch on my heated grips for a while! Roll on summer!!
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