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PostSubject: Battery replacement suggestions   Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:12 pm

What are the suggestions for battery replacements? Are there any at Walmart? Or do I go to the dealer? Thanks dan
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Sun Feb 06, 2011 5:35 pm

I have bought a battery for my ATV at walmart so I would think they may have one . If you have a Batteris Plus near you I would go to them.
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:37 pm

The stock battery is a ytz12. It has 210 cca.
I recomend the ytz14. It has 230 cca.

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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:38 pm

Get an AGM battery by WestCo. Best battery out there. I have used them on my last 2 BMW's.

http://www.westcobattery.com/

I would not buy anything else. Yes they are a little more expensive. Forget about that Walmart crap.

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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:41 pm

ehaughn wrote:
Get an AGM battery by WestCo. Best battery out there. I have used them on my last 2 BMW's.

http://www.westcobattery.com/

I would not buy anything else. Yes they are a little more expensive. Forget about that Walmart crap.



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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Sun Feb 06, 2011 8:45 pm

Go with a Yuasa battery. As Dan mentioned above the Yuasa YTZ12S is 210 CCA and the YTZ14S (used on the ST1300) is exactly the same size but 230 CCA.

Yuasa batterys are not cheap, but they are top quality. There are a couple of vendors on eBay who sell them at decent discount.

If you live in a warm climate you might be able to get away with a Bike Master AGM battery, but you've got to go with their version of the YTZ14S battery as it is rated at 210 CCA. While their YTZ12S is only rated at 140 CCA. So don't be fooled if someone tries to tell you the the Bike Master is 'more affordable'.

Gotta give Yuasa their props: I had purchased a YTZ12S Yuasa about 3 or 4 years ago. When I found out that I didn't need a new battery -I had a bad stator- I shelved the battery. Last month I installed the "new" battery only to find out that it was shot because it wasn't stored with a trickle charger connected.

A new Yuasa was going to cost me ~$150. So I contacted Yuasa's east coast plant to find out if there was some way I could restore the "new" battery. The lady at the Customer Service dept inquired about how I had 'stored' the battery and when I told her that it had just been sitting on the shelf she thanked me for my honesty and then said that she would replace the battery at no charge, as a courtesy. She even said that she was going to send me the YTZ14S battery as an upgrade.

How's that for standing behind your product!?

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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:18 pm

Hey Tim... I guess that was the starting problem you were telling me about earlier. I hope it was and glad to hear you got it going.
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Sun Feb 06, 2011 9:31 pm

The Swing battery must be an AGM type, whether you use a Yuasa or a knock off. You can't use a lead-acid battery, reason being is that the battery lies on its side when installed. A lead acid battery would leak all over, ruining your Swing.
Here's a quote:
"The major construction types are flooded (wet), gelled, and AGM (Absorbed Glass Mat). AGM batteries are also sometimes called "starved electrolyte" or "dry", because the fiberglass mat is only 95% saturated with Sulfuric acid and there is no excess liquid."
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:55 am

If you can get a battery made by the firm 'Oddesy' - they are brilliant.
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:50 pm

Odyessy batteries are excellent. I've used one in my previous Goldwing which put a pretty heavy load on batteries. Instead of replacing the battery every other year the Odyssey lasted four and a half years and was still working like new when I sold the bike. As soon as the current YUASA battery in my SW gets tired it will get an Odyessy. Batteries Plus has them but I usually buy them online where I can get a better deal even with shipping added.
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:17 am

I choosed for a Yuasa. 160 Euro....

Other brand...60 Euro.

Hard choise.
Even with a Yuasa ,bad luck happens.
Even with cheap brands you can run 7 years.
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Tue Feb 08, 2011 5:03 pm

I also choose Yuasa; I have two 04 and one 06 Honda products with the original batteries. All three load test ok AND both spend their down time on a Deltran Tender.

My sweetie’s original non-Yuasa battery in her Suzuki crapped out the second year of ownership. This was also connected to a Deltran Tender while not in use. We replaced it with a Yuasa in 09 and it is still going strong.

Just remember, the worst thing for a battery is discharge. Slow discharge is when sulfation occurs, and sulfation is what typically kills batteries that are used occasionally.
A good float charger will keep the battery fully charged preventing sulfation, but not apply enough voltage and current to overheat and boil off the electrolyte.
Repeat discharge / recharge cycles may slow sulfation compared to leaving the battery sit, but avoiding discharge completely is best.

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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:15 pm

dspevack wrote:
The stock battery is a ytz12. It has 210 cca.
I recomend the ytz14. It has 230 cca.


Been having probs starting the Swing, and I had noticed a smell very similiar to acid in the underseat box, two and two added up to a new battery. I have fitted a Lucas YTZ14, a very tight fit that needed the plastic buffer strip removing, then a bit of cardboard stuffed in to stop the one corner rattling.

The difference in starting is astonishing! The moral is when the seller of your new bike tells you it has had a new battery check what was fitted.... This had got a lousy Chinese YT12-BS, underpowered leaky junk that had lasted less than 6 months. Sad I am tempted to contact the guy I purchased the Swing from, and who seemed straight, and see if he can get the money back!

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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Sat Apr 30, 2011 6:14 am

steveR wrote:
This had got a lousy Chinese YT12-BS, underpowered leaky junk that had lasted less than 6 months. Sad I am tempted to contact the guy I purchased the Swing from, and who seemed straight, and see if he can get the money back!



I will add that a friend on another bike forum suggested that the leak may have been as a result of overcharging on the bike... I will keep an eye on the new one and see if I can get the charging aspect checked.
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:46 pm

I bought the OEM battery and had them install it since they were already working on my bike. I had to have them remove my "stripped off" oil plug and change my coolant so I just said what the heck and let them install the battery. Mine was dead and when I tried to charge it the charge only lasted a few days. It was $149 at the shop, which I thought was very expensive, but he did say it is the same battery that many of the bigger bikes use too.

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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:35 am

Just read about the Shorai new technology battery.
Sounds very tempting when my stock battery eventually dies:

http://www.shoraipower.com/default.aspx
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:38 am

Wow! Pricey, but pretty impressive! Thanks for the post! cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Wed Jun 08, 2011 9:50 am

Here seems to be a highly recommended Shorai dealer if you're interested:

http://www.twfracing.com/shorai.html
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Thu Jun 09, 2011 10:35 am

Shorai eXtreme-rate LFX Lithium Battery LFX18A1-BS12 ( http://www.rocketmoto.com )

Currently on sale: $169.95
Plus ADVrider discount (8%): $156.35

I had to PM (www.advrider.com RocketMoto) to get discount code.

Here are other ADVrider discounts ( http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=431761 ).
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:56 am

Good price, but expensive shipping to Canada. For the US, it seems a great deal.
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:56 pm

bigbird wrote:
Good price, but expensive shipping to Canada.


I did order the Shorai battery.

What is the cheapest way to ship to Canada?? I could check if it would be cheaper to ship from my home to Canada for you?

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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:01 pm

honda_silver wrote:

What is the cheapest way to ship to Canada?? I could check if it would be cheaper to ship from my home to Canada for you?


Thanks very much for the offer Bill.

Usually what I do is have any US purchases shipped to a drop parcel service at the US border. Then I make a day trip into North Dakota for shopping and pick up my mail order purchases at the drop service on the way home. That is way cheaper than having anything direct shipped from the US to my home.

Make sure and give us your impressions of the Shorai.

Did you get the 14A or 18A?

Did you also order the dedicated charger for it?

My understanding is that a regular charger will work as long as it doesn't have a desulfination cycle. But the Shorai charger analyzes each cell and charges each cell as required, not in series like regular chargers. The Shorai charger connection is to a BMS 5 pin port in the battery, not to the terminal posts.
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Fri Jun 10, 2011 3:23 pm

bigbird wrote:
Make sure and give us your impressions of the Shorai.

It may be a while .... I want to test in warm/cold ( ok relatively cold clown ).

bigbird wrote:
Did you get the 14A or 18A?

18A

bigbird wrote:
Did you also order the dedicated charger for it?

My understanding is that a regular charger will work as long as it doesn't have a desulfination cycle. But the Shorai charger analyzes each cell and charges each cell as required, not in series like regular chargers. The Shorai charger connection is to a BMS 5 pin port in the battery, not to the terminal posts.

I did not originally order the dedicated charger. After I read your post I called www.rocketmoto.com to see if they have the charger ( did not appear on website ). They called the manufacturer and ordered the charger and extension cable for me. They asked if I wanted the battery now or wait and have shipped together, I told them to wait since I am not in a rush.

So your post cost me more money tongue

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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Fri Jun 10, 2011 4:56 pm

honda_silver wrote:

So your post cost me more money tongue


Isn't that always what happens on here?

These toys of ours can be bottomless money pits.
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:30 pm

The Shorai LFX18A1-BS12 shows the positive on the left. My 07 OEM battery has the positive on the right. How doe's that work?
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:46 pm

thomphoto wrote:
The Shorai LFX18A1-BS12 shows the positive on the left. My 07 OEM battery has the positive on the right. How doe's that work?


The battery is not installed standing up like that in its compartment. If you look at your battery installed, the battery lies flat with the terminals along the top. That alignment puts the -ve on the left and +ve on the right.

How does that work?
Perfectly.
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:53 pm

bigbird wrote:
thomphoto wrote:
The Shorai LFX18A1-BS12 shows the positive on the left. My 07 OEM battery has the positive on the right. How doe's that work?


The battery is not installed standing up like that in its compartment. If you look at your battery installed, the battery lies flat with the terminals along the top. That alignment puts the -ve on the left and +ve on the right.

How does that work?
Perfectly.


Duh, guess I should have taken the battery cover off to take a look. Thanks much for the info.
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Sat Jun 18, 2011 7:10 pm

Since I'm going on a 3000 mile trip in a couple of weeks, and my OEM battery is 4.5 yrs old, I ordered the Shorai LFX14A1-BS12. Found it on Amazon for $149. with free shipping. Will let you know what I think of it.

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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:47 pm

Got the Shorai battery in today. It came from 303 Cycle thru Amazon. Speedy delivery. Man, that battery is light weight. I thought the box was empty when I first picked it up. I installed it and cranked it up and WOW is all I can say. Now to see what the long term result is.
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PostSubject: Re: Battery replacement suggestions   Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:46 pm

thomphoto wrote:
Got the Shorai battery in today. It came from 303 Cycle thru Amazon. Speedy delivery. Man, that battery is light weight. I thought the box was empty when I first picked it up. I installed it and cranked it up and WOW is all I can say. Now to see what the long term result is.


I can hardly wait for mine. We have a damn postal strike in Canada. I ordered the 18 amp-hour version.
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