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tubeck
Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 85
Age: 59
Location: Ft Pierce fl
Points: 399
Registration date: 2011-08-10
 |  Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet  Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:30 am | |
| The main point here is
It is not govt responsibility to protect us against ourselves.
We do not cause any addl damage to others by not wearing a helmet.
This is a choice made by the individual in a free society |
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MikeO
Site Admin
Number of posts: 1724
Age: 62
Location: Western Europe
Points: 2867
Registration date: 2009-06-29
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:04 am | |
| I wouldn't like to be the one who has to scrape up the brains from the tarmac - it might cost me my sanity.
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'09 Silverwing 600 - 'The Winged Express' - Delta Blue, ABS, Heated Grips, Givi Airflow Screen, Utopia rider's backrest, Givi pillion backrest & E52 Topbox, Cortech Super Mini Tank Bag as a tunnel-bag, Starcom Digital Comms System.
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Waspie
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 1739
Age: 60
Location: Portland, UK
Points: 2905
Registration date: 2009-07-26
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:21 am | |
| | tubeck wrote: | We do not cause any addl damage to others by not wearing a helmet.
This is a choice made by the individual in a free society |
So you do not consider the mental damage done to other seeing your head splattered all over the highway an issue.
I work with a chap, ex m/c cop who quit riding and the police after attending one too many accidents involving helmetless riders. Imagine a young child who has to witness such a sight?
Accidents WILL happen - fact, but surely to wear anything/everything that would prevent damage to ourselves is common sense?
I agree that it should be down to the choice of the individual but to say it doesn't cause any damage to others is illogical. I have been scarred by many things I have witnessed to the point a career in medicine is out. Seen one too many mangled bodies thank you.
Choices - yes but it has to be the right choice.
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bigbird
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 2160
Location: Winnipeg Canada
Points: 3057
Registration date: 2010-05-02
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:27 am | |
| | tubeck wrote: | The main point here is
It is not govt responsibility to protect us against ourselves.
We do not cause any addl damage to others by not wearing a helmet.
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In Canada and other countries, we enjoy the benefits of free universal health care. In these countries, injuries sustained by not wearing government mandated safety equipment (helmets, seat belts, etc) directly impact the health care system as avoidable costs. These costs directly impact every taxpayer and business in the country. In our case the gov't is protecting us from ourselves.
The next thing that has to go is smoking. The direct medical costs are in the billions of $ every year.
In the US where there is no universal health care the medical costs incurred by injury from not wearing protective gear still must be borne by someone. I suppose in your case it's the underwriters who get their money back from increased health care premiums passed on to all members of every health plan. |
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tubeck
Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 85
Age: 59
Location: Ft Pierce fl
Points: 399
Registration date: 2011-08-10
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:29 am | |
| the minimum insurance requirement here of PIP (personal injury protection) insurance means everyone has insurance to cover injury costs to themselves. Minimal costs passed on to the taxpaying public. That is fla law anyway. Of course that only works if everone gets it like the law states. |
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tubeck
Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 85
Age: 59
Location: Ft Pierce fl
Points: 399
Registration date: 2011-08-10
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:41 am | |
| I have heard that the paramedics think all bikers should wear full protective suits. It keeps them from having to search for all the pieces in an accident
I ride not to be serious. or I wouldn't ride at all. |
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Daboo
Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 188
Location: Seattle, WA
Points: 1099
Registration date: 2009-12-08
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:45 am | |
| I see a parallel between riding with no helmet and what I see in the jail each week. Bear with me for a second before making a judgement. I'm not calling a helmetless rider a criminal.  Each week, I see wives, girl friends, parents, children waiting to get a chance to visit one of their loved ones who are locked up. In many ways, it is not only the guys staying there who are in jail...but the family as well. The family who did nothing wrong is often suffering more than the guy locked up inside. We can debate all day about " my right" to wear a helmet or not — but do those arguing for that "right" ever ask the others who care for them, what they think? Honestly? What about the effect on their lives? As their once vibrant husband, father or son is now either a vegetable for the rest of their lives or dead? Even if dead, the future they had that was once secure, is now gone to medical bills. What about their rights? Chris |
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MikeO
Site Admin
Number of posts: 1724
Age: 62
Location: Western Europe
Points: 2867
Registration date: 2009-06-29
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:02 am | |
| The whole debate is a complete waste of time and serves only to raise blood-pressure if indeed it does. The pro-helmet brigade will trot out all the pro-helmet arguments and the right-to-do-as-I-please brigade will seek to justify their stance. It's a subject that's been done to death and I, for one, will no longer read any threads on the subject - I will not change my views and do not want to raise my blood-pressure. So there! 
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Mike - Riding on the right - riding for pleasure!
'09 Silverwing 600 - 'The Winged Express' - Delta Blue, ABS, Heated Grips, Givi Airflow Screen, Utopia rider's backrest, Givi pillion backrest & E52 Topbox, Cortech Super Mini Tank Bag as a tunnel-bag, Starcom Digital Comms System.
www.x9ownersclub.co.uk - for all Maxi-Riders who want to RIDE!
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Edmund Burke
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cjuzda
Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 105
Points: 507
Registration date: 2011-05-16
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:27 pm | |
| Of course the costs are passed on to the "public" - The insurance buying public whose premiums go to fund all claims. I'd actually be interested to know the statistics though as I would think that most helmetless riders would be killed in a collision so the health care costs may actually be quite low. It's really more of a "right to die" issue than a "right to ride without a helmet" issue | tubeck wrote: | | the minimum insurance requirement here of PIP (personal injury protection) insurance means everyone has insurance to cover injury costs to themselves. Minimal costs passed on to the taxpaying public. That is fla law anyway. Of course that only works if everone gets it like the law states. |
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model28a
Super Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 282
Age: 59
Location: St.Pete.FL.
Points: 1135
Registration date: 2010-02-03
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Fri Sep 02, 2011 1:07 pm | |
| | tubeck wrote: | | the minimum insurance requirement here of PIP (personal injury protection) insurance means everyone has insurance to cover injury costs to themselves. Minimal costs passed on to the taxpaying public. That is fla law anyway. Of course that only works if everone gets it like the law states. |
In Florida a helmet is not required if over 21 with a minimum of $10,000 in medical insurance.
Florida's No-Fault, or "PIP Law" does not apply to motorcycles. HOWEVER, the Financial Responsibility FR Law applies to ALL motor vehicles in Florida, including motorcycles. Thus the voluntary purchase of motor vehicle liability insurance by an owner, operator or owner/ operator is highly recommended.
Hear is a link to find out the M/C laws of the states.
http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/asp/amaccess/laws/result.asp?state=fl |
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billc.
Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 124
Age: 63
Location: Atlanta, Ga.
Points: 982
Registration date: 2010-02-19
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:01 pm | |
| Where do you get medical insurance. Is this a standard medical policy like Blue Cross? Do you have to specify motorcycle? thanks billc. |
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Tagg
Silver Wing Rider
Number of posts: 439
Points: 1082
Registration date: 2010-11-14
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robert
Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 123
Age: 69
Location: arizona
Points: 750
Registration date: 2010-09-19
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:08 pm | |
| Let's see here, while you're driving a car, you're basically protected inside a cage, you must wear a seat belt, but you can ride your two wheeler, where you don't have any protection, and you don't have to wear a helmet, I guess that makes sense. Ride Safe. |
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Tagg
Silver Wing Rider
Number of posts: 439
Points: 1082
Registration date: 2010-11-14
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:50 pm | |
| Personally, i dont care if anyone wears a helmet except me. |
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billc.
Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 124
Age: 63
Location: Atlanta, Ga.
Points: 982
Registration date: 2010-02-19
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:41 am | |
| I also don't care whether anyone wears a helmet or not, except a lot of the helmetless express their "freedom" by also not having medical insurance (don't want that FORCED on them). Then when, not if, but when they have their "incident", they are cared for in the hospital and aftercare by my and your tax dollar....and they feel they are ENTITLED to that at no cost to them. Not saying helmets and armor are the automatic savior in all accidents, but I will better my odds with them rather than without and my insurance will keep me from losing everything I worked for all my life and assure me of funds for the best care. billc. |
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Somerled
Maxi-Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 152
Age: 50
Location: Fort Bliss, TX
Points: 536
Registration date: 2011-06-02
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Sat Sep 03, 2011 11:56 am | |
| I think this article says it rather well. It was all over the news recently.
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-07-04/us/new.york.motorcyclist.death_1_helmet-motorcyclist-state-police?_s=PM:US |
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model28a
Super Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 282
Age: 59
Location: St.Pete.FL.
Points: 1135
Registration date: 2010-02-03
| | Subject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:10 pm | |
| | Tagg wrote: | | Personally, i dont care if anyone wears a helmet except me. |
+1
In the post above I was only clarifying the Florida law.
I always wear mine and I believe it has saved me at lest some of my brains two different times. |
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