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PostSubject: Not Wearing a Helmet   Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:51 pm

An Off-Duty Cop had a pretty bad accident while riding his own personal M/C the other day on the I-10 Freeway here in Phoenix. He may have prevented some of his serious injuries, if he would have been wearing a helmet. But you are not required to wear a helmet here in Arizona. You will get a ticket for not wearing a seat belt while driving your vehicle. But you are more than welcome to splatter your brains on the highway here, by not wearing a helmet. Ride Safe...Robert.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Sat Jan 29, 2011 6:26 am

A shame, I'm all for personal freedoms, but to hear of a public servant and a defender of freedom being injured is bad news. Balancing out freedom of choice over common sense isn't that hard to do really.

We've had to wear a skidlid here in the UK for decades, it was actually the impostion of such a law that the Motorcycle Action Group here in the UK was founded upon! Their bye line being 'Let the Rider Decided!'. For quite a while I supported both Mag and the above attitude until one day I actually did have cause and the space to legally ride without a helmet...... From that one experience I changed my view entirely; anybody who wants to ride without a lid on, esp here in the UK needs both their head looking at and their keys confiscating on the basis they are a danger to other road users (and themselves)!

I've got friends who have travelled alot further a field than I have who have told me its a great feeling to ride in the sun, with no lid on etc. etc. As part of my rehab I volunteered years ago to work for a local Hospital radio service, where it was my (mis)forturne to meet not one but three or four guys - all with severe head injuries sustained not always through motorcycling but enough to make me realise just how vunerable my noggin is!

Okay so my choosen lid is a flip front, which most would argue is little better than an open face lid, well as far as I'm concerned at least its better than no lid at all!!

Robert, you don't mention whether the guy hurt was a bike cop or not? Some times the confidence we have in our skills as riders can out weigh our actually abilities! Years ago when Foggarty was riding for Ducati, regularly, we would get at least 3 or 4 phone calls on the Monday morning after the Donnington Park MotorGP from insurance companies, dealers or owners about crash damaged bikes - riders who thought they could ride like Foggy on the road...... until they came to the first bend Evil or Very Mad

Good luck to the cop, I bet his life will never be the same again, I hope he enjoyed the ride!
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Sat Jan 29, 2011 2:55 pm

I have worn a helmet from the begining (1964 first bike) and a helmet has saved my life.
I am also a FireFighter/EMT and seen where helmets have made the difference.I will always wear one.
Don,t even bring up the "Loud Pipes Save Lives" B.S.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Sat Jan 29, 2011 3:23 pm

I have to confess, I wear a helmet only about half the time. I am a safety oriented person in every aspect of my life except for this.

I always wear my helmet when I ski, I always wear my seatbelt in the car, and as a pilot I read every single item on my checklist outloud, among many other safety steps.

I have no explination for my behavior other than I really like to ride without a helmet.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:22 pm

I have to wear one so it's natural.
In any case, mostly the weather dictates wearing some kind of hat so it might as well be a helmet on the bike.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Sat Jan 29, 2011 8:19 pm

I had to wear a helmet from the first time I had a Cushman in 1957. My father was assigned to Edwards, AFB and the USAF mandated helmets on base. Personally I'm against seatbelt and helmet laws, if one wants to take a chance go ahead, it's your life. That being said, I think anyone who rides without a helmet is being foolish, ditto riding in a car without seat belts.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:35 am

This is a very ticklish question of personal freedom vs public costs. As long as bashing your head in doesn't cost me, I don't care. In Texas you have to show a certain amount of insurance to ride without a helmet. I always ride with one so I've never explored this information. A decending radius curve with a stop sign at the bottom and sand on the street taught this old dog a new trick. The gash in my helmet where it met the curb also got my attention. Shoot, I might have busted that curb if I hadn't been wearing my helmet. I really like those riders who use their helmets to protect their sissy bars. Must think their sissy bars are more valuable than their heads and they are probably right Laughing Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:13 am

Way back in the day, Bell Helmets used to advertise, "If you have a ten dollar head, wear a ten dollar helmet." What does that say about those riders who never wear one??

Here in Florida, we used to have a mandatory helmet law, but that was voted down some years ago and now, like Texas, riders over 21 can choose to go lid-less if they have the proper insurance. Presumably, that prevents the rest of us from paying when someone splatters his or her hair/teeth/eyes on the pavement.

Personally, having broken the chin bar off of a Bell Moto-Star riding (OK, crashing) off-road, I wear a helmet, even on hot days. I've been doing it so long, and wearing seat belts in a car, I feel nekkid when I don't.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:51 am

I agree with the FL law.
Your choice as long as its your responsibility.
If you have insurance that will still cover you if you ride without a helmet, then it should be your choice.

The public should not be required to foot the bill for a lifetime of special services to those injured because they were riding without a brain bucket.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:54 pm

I live in texas also and i choose to wear a helmet even though i have a choice not to. The cop that was hurt on his bike exercised his right not to wear a helmet. I dont think his decision was a wise one but he did have a choice. I sure hope he comes out of it and recovers....sometimes around my neighborhood at slow speeds i do ride without a helmet...25-35 mph....but on the highway my brainbucket goes on and hopefully ill never need it.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:09 pm

For what my two cents are worth... when I had the accident last April... I was going less than 25 MPH ... when the back of my head bounced off the pavement, that was the hardest lick I have ever had. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I would have died without my helmet on. No one will ever have to remind me that I need a helmet. I suppose you could say I still have a choice here in Arkansas, but I will CHOOSE being prepared.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:43 pm

Gary, I couldn't agree with you more. We have a choice in Illinois also, I choose to wear a helmet at all times. Better safe than sorry. You won't see me in a tank top, shorts and flip flops riding or being a passenger. Just my choice. Working in a hospital it took me a long time before I felt comfortable riding as a passenger and then going solo. Bob has been riding for 16 years. Always, wears a helmet and the protective gear. Nothing wrong with that.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:41 am

Cathy,

I think you've hit the nail on the head with the comment about hospital! I worked in a military hospital for a coule of years and all the ER staff were very anti-biking, mainly because they saw the young kids of 16-17 arriving in the back of ambulances all beat up because they didn't wear the gear. Reminds me a little of Sallys nephew, who despite being provided with a very expensive leather jacket etc. for use while riding his bike, decided not to as it didn't 'look cool, down the chip shop'!! A slight crash the following week changed his mind.. He was one of the lucky ones who lived to learn. Rolling Eyes


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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:50 am

Ladies and gentlemen, skip the helmet if you must, but have your organ donor card completed before you ride.

I serve on the organ procurement board for much of Ohio. The day after I bought my Swing I told a transplant surgeon friend what I had done. He looked me straight in the eye and said, "Never ride without the best helmet you can buy. I'm been on the other side of the table too many times." If not for you, then for your family. They are often called "donorcycles" for a reason.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:36 pm

Here is how I scare myself into wearing a helmet. It works most of the time.

I love my almost bald head in the wind. Here in Texas, the insane heat, sometime I don't have a choice.

I am all for the God given right to choose. For me, personally, the helmet dilemma, comes down to only two possible choices: open casket or closed casket.

A very long time ago, a friend of mine said this to me : "rule of thumb" a human body can not withstand a 50 miles full impact. You die of "shaking baby syndrome". Internal injuries will be so great your organs will liquify.

That was scary enough for me on it's own, but than I discovered " driving by numbers". This is why I hate math.

At 30mph, the chance of surviving a car crash falls to 27 per cent.
At speeds above 38 mph, you have less than a 1 per cent chance of surviving.

Fastest human body 27.79 mph.
The strongest bone in the human body the femur can withstand up to 300 pounds of pressure before breaking.
A 150 lb body going 50 mph doesn't sound like much until you add the kinetic energy ... ouch

Seeee, math is scary man !

Maybe when I get a little older and I hit that "I don't give a &^it" age, I'll grow my hair long and drive in to the sunset.

For now I choose the open casket option.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:35 am

I rarely wore a seat-belt until they started enforcing seat belt laws. Now it just feels creepy not to have it across my chest, i feel less safe somehow.
Yes it is a choice to wear a helmet or not. They repealed the helmet law here a year or so ago, and i have yet to see a rider without one. Ive been in quite a few wrecks since i got my 1st bike at 14, only 2 on the street, but mostly on the track. I went to the store once without a helmet on one night recently, and i can see the store from my house and it flat creeped me out, i didnt even encounter a singe car on the road either! I feel safer, which is a illusion on a bike. I still think cell phones are the most dangerous thing on the road.

+1 on the loud pipes save lives B.S. The only thing loud pipes accomplish is showing the world that your a wanna-be badass.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:36 am

I don't think anyone can disput the fact that wearing a helmet is a good idea. Of course I think the majority of the population think getting on 2 wheels is not a smart idea either and we all ignore that.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:43 am

I pretty much agree. Just riding around the block after servicing my bikes in the subdivision, without a helmet feels creepy.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:24 am

Tagg wrote:
The only thing loud pipes accomplish is showing the world that your a wanna-be badass.


There is a difference between loud pipes and way too loud pipes.
I'm a mechanical internal combustion engine kind of guy. There's nothing more mellifluous to me than the sound of a 16 cylinder turbocharged diesel electric locomotive in run 8 straining up a grade. The worst internal combustion sound I ever heard was that of a turbocharged Wankel powered Mazda with straight pipes on a road racing course. It sounded like 1 trillion mosquitos amplified through AC/DC's sound stage kit.

That being said, I like to hear the bassy sound of combustion. I have a tough time with the ear splitting bark of a straight pipe 45 degree V-Twin under heavy throttle, high load, low rpm. That same engine with some form of muffler sounds fantastic. I don't like the noiseless "whoosh" of a Honda Goldwing passing by. All you hear is the hum of the tires on the road. It sounds lifeless and sterile. Add some burble and rumble to that engine and it sounds great.

I like exhaust rumble and I'm no badass biker. Who doesn't like the sound of their Swing when you crack the throttle at low rpm and hear the exhaust note? (albeit very subdued) and the intake moan? I'm getting a LeoVince slip-on and K&N to add some auditory life to my Swing. It's a living, breathing machine. I want to hear it breathe!
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Thu Aug 25, 2011 11:30 am

I prefer loud colors to loud pipes (I only wear safety-yellow jackets now). I happen to think that it works better than the pipes, plus i look great in yellow. ;-)

I can't tell you how many times I have been stuck behind one of these loud pipe guys on a long twisty mountain road where there is no second lane to pass him. The funny thing is these guys usually wear ear plugs so they don't have to hear their own pipes but those of us stuck in his doppler effect aren't so equipped.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:54 pm

toolboxjesse wrote:
I prefer loud colors to loud pipes (I only wear safety-yellow jackets now). I happen to think that it works better than the pipes, plus i look great in yellow. ;-)
Jesse in Atlanta


My gear is now all Hi-Viz as well, including my helmet.
Duh, I forgot my avatar shows it.
My wife thinks I look ridiculous with that helmet screaming "look at me", but I do feel a lot safer.
I absolutely cringe when I see young kids flying around on their 49cc scooters and crotch rockets wearing shorts, tank tops, and flip-flops.

When do you expect your Dr. Pulley sliders? I'm very curious if they're the real thing.
If so, I'll oder a set of 26gr from the same guy, as his price is certainly right.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:29 pm

Hopefully I'll get them by the end of next week, but I will be out of town on the weekend so may not install them until the following Sunday (unless i get ambitious on a weeknight).

If I remember to I will take some snapshots of the parts i receive.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:33 pm

toolboxjesse wrote:
Hopefully I'll get them by the end of next week, but I will be out of town on the weekend so may not install them until the following Sunday (unless i get ambitious on a weeknight).

If I remember to I will take some snapshots of the parts i receive.

Be Well,
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OK, thanks. The genuine sliders have a bright bushing inside the hollowed out centre of the sliders.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:12 pm

dspevack wrote:
I agree with the FL law.
Your choice as long as its your responsibility.
If you have insurance that will still cover you if you ride without a helmet, then it should be your choice.

The public should not be required to foot the bill for a lifetime of special services to those injured because they were riding without a brain bucket.


And where does the insurance companies get their money from to pay for all the necessary services?.... from everyones' premiums...so you are paying for it.

The only law we have in this country regarding bikers is the wearing of a helmet. For me it is ATGATT or drive a car.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:06 pm

FL law only requires $10,000 coverage, I do not think you can repair to much in a hospital with 10 grand.
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:52 pm

Texas law has gone back and forth over the years. When had my first bike in the 80's - mandatory -then not- now over some age (at 65 I know not what age because I definitely qualify) with insurance. I wear - period. In addition my wife and I just got neon yellow Olympia jackets with armor. We have not had them but a month or so but I feel naked without it if I don't wear it already.

I hate loud pipes and boom boom boxes.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:25 am



I hate loud pipes and boom boom boxes.

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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:05 am

I admit I used to wear a helmet and face shield was to keep the bugs off my face. Now with this Givi oversized shield it iliminates that problem.

I hate scrachy ice cream truck music. I hear it from miles away for hours every afternoon Give me the throaty sound (not loud) of a bike anyday
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:16 am

tubeck wrote:

I hate scrachy ice cream truck music. I hear it from miles away for hours every afternoon Give me the throaty sound (not loud) of a bike anyday


+1
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PostSubject: Re: Not Wearing a Helmet   Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:11 am

Throaty is good Exclamation
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