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Waspie
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:24 pm

kbcmdba wrote:
dspevack wrote:
Waspie wrote:
honda_silver wrote:
Waspie wrote:
Silverwing with JATO bottles and afterburners fully on!!! Smile Twisted Evil Twisted Evil = What a Face


Would the GPS display the correct MPH? Twisted Evil


At that speed - who cares!! Twisted Evil I'd be too busy just hangin' on. Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing


In this situation wouldn't the GPS be measuring ground speed
when it should be measuring air speed?


You are correct though with such a low glide ratio, I'm not sure it would mattter much... affraid


So would that be 'true', 'rectified' or 'indicated airspeed.'

Either way my original response still applies!! " Who cares" Twisted Evil affraid
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:35 pm

Right on Doug! alien beamed up
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Tue Jun 07, 2011 1:37 pm

You left out Mach number.... affraid
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:45 pm

YA know, I was just thinking.

When i ride I keep up with traffic and rarely look at the speedo.

I know its off by GPS.
The group I ride with some know their speedo is off and adjust accordingly. Others in the group say we ae speeding and slow down.
Last summer I got on the CB and would call out the speed of the GPS and have them look at their speedos at that time.

Some still said how do you know the GPS is right? I said that is is more accurate that all the speedos, since it was accurate to within 12 ft. So at 60 mph it could be off by .05%.

So now when traveling the lead calls out for speed reference and I tell him.
Everyone then knows we are at the true speed limit.

When alone I do what traffic does or a little faster.

All things are relevant to the moment. I find that rock and roll is for faster speeds and ballads/love songs are for toodling down country lanes.

MaxB (who really doesnt care what the speedo says)
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:47 pm

Isn't air speed given in knots?????

I don't think my GPS has that setting.

I did knots in boy scouts long ago.

just saying.

MaxB
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:58 pm

The only important thing about a speedo, is that I'm not wearing one.

Dan

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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:13 pm

Another bit of gas to add to the fire...

Because speed is computed based on a set radius of the tire, it is expected that indicated speed will change as tire temperature changes because the change in temperature will change air pressure and as a result, change the circumference of the tire. While this change may not be significant (unless your tire is grossly under-inflated), it does make a difference as speed goes higher. The only way to truly tell speed is to compare to an object is to compare it relative to something deemed stationary. We consider the ground to be stationary usually (except maybe in earthquakes).

All in all, however, if I get pulled over, I'm sure I'm likely to tell the officer that I am just trying to be safe keeping up with the traffic around me. It's one of those catch-22's. You can be arrested for speeding or you can be arrested for impeding traffic. Which is safer for the biker? You decide.

I generally don't care what my speedo says at that time (within reason) because speed doesn't kill. Difference in speed is what kills (for our NASA folk, it's not velocity that kills, it's delta-velocity that kills...) :-). Of course, delta-v (speed) relative to the ground gets higher as the speedo indicates faster whether or not it's accurate.

Skydivers and base jumpers all understand this: "Jumping off the (tall structure) doesn't kill. It's a sudden stop at the end that could kill you. Check your parachutes!"

Maybe I should start wearing a parachute in case I see an impending crash... :-) Yeah - that's it - put an ejection seat on my SWing :-)
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:17 pm

... :-)

If I put an ejection seat on my SWing, I'll also put a bumper sticker on it...

"In event of crash, this vehicle will no longer be occupied."
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Fri Jun 24, 2011 5:01 pm

DH said that every Honda he's ever owned showed approximately 5 mph faster than actual highway speed (considering 55-60 as "normal" highway speed) which would be approximately 10%. He put the GPS on mine and it was exactly that. Explains why I wasn't pulled over the other day by a policeman doing radar from a side street as I doing 46 in a 40 mph zone--per a later GPS run, I was actually doing about 42 and that probably wasn't worth the effort to pull me over (thank goodness). I mentally make note of that 10% and as another response indicates...explains why some guy was tailgating me across a bridge where the speed limit was 40 and I was going 42...was actually going about 36-38
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:23 pm

Waspie wrote:
kbcmdba wrote:
dspevack wrote:
Waspie wrote:
honda_silver wrote:
Waspie wrote:
Silverwing with JATO bottles and afterburners fully on!!! Smile Twisted Evil Twisted Evil = What a Face


Would the GPS display the correct MPH? Twisted Evil


At that speed - who cares!! Twisted Evil I'd be too busy just hangin' on. Shocked Laughing Laughing Laughing


In this situation wouldn't the GPS be measuring ground speed
when it should be measuring air speed?


You are correct though with such a low glide ratio, I'm not sure it would mattter much... affraid


So would that be 'true', 'rectified' or 'indicated airspeed.'

Either way my original response still applies!! " Who cares" Twisted Evil affraid


+1
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Fri Jun 24, 2011 7:23 pm

They make speedo healers, but like Waspie said . . . . . . .
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Sat Jun 25, 2011 12:11 am

scootingranny wrote:
DH said that every Honda he's ever owned showed approximately 5 mph faster than actual highway speed (considering 55-60 as "normal" highway speed) which would be approximately 10%. He put the GPS on mine and it was exactly that. Explains why I wasn't pulled over the other day by a policeman doing radar from a side street as I doing 46 in a 40 mph zone--per a later GPS run, I was actually doing about 42 and that probably wasn't worth the effort to pull me over (thank goodness). I mentally make note of that 10% and as another response indicates...explains why some guy was tailgating me across a bridge where the speed limit was 40 and I was going 42...was actually going about 36-38


Here in the UK the police, (real walking - talking police officers,) have a little bit of discretion over when the 'pull' you for a speeding offence.

They 'normally' use the speed limit add 10% for guage error and add a further 2 mph to that figure, however add to that bad day and you may not get the same response!!!!

So;

If the speed limit was 70 mph, add 10% (7mph) = 77 mph then add a further 2 mph giving a total of 79 mph before they would pull you over. (On a good day!!)

There is also the road side so called 'Safety Camera' vans. They have no lee way at all. If the speed limit is 30 mph and you do 31 you will receive a ticket through the post!
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Sat Jun 25, 2011 1:24 am

In bright sunlight it's hard enough to see the map on my GPS so I'm not going to take my eyes off the road to peer down at the screen at a tiny MPH display to see if it matches the speedometer.

Just think after all the posts about wearing hi-viz gear if you got clattered by a car because you were too busy squinting down at your sat nav screen.
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:34 pm

After over 12,000 miles a recheck confirms that my speedometer is accurate.


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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Tue Jun 28, 2011 3:40 pm

compguy wrote:
After over 12,000 miles a recheck confirms that my speedometer is acturate.


Unlike your spelling of accurate! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:22 am

Meldrew wrote:
compguy wrote:
After over 12,000 miles a recheck confirms that my speedometer is acturate.


Unlike your spelling of accurate! Smile
Thanks
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mrcaveman
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Mon Aug 15, 2011 6:09 am

I just purchased a new 2011 Swing. I have to agree with Compguy about GPS speeds. My Swing is dead on with my GPS at any speed.... My 07 VTX1300R is not. It is off by what most of you experence. Example: On the X at 35 mph the gps is reads only 30. AT 40 the gps is only 35 etc. To cruse at 65 mph on my VTX I have to go 72 mph indicated. The new Swings just may be dead on. To cruse at 65 mph on the swing I travel at 65 indicated. Just my 2 cents. The most important thing , its a great ride no mater the speed you travel at. Have a wonderful day.
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Sat Aug 20, 2011 8:52 pm

My GPS also reads lower than my speedometer. It's close to a 10% difference but it's no big deal.
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PostSubject: Re: GPS vs indicated speed   Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:40 pm

just sing louder !!!!!!!!!!!!




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