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what type of windshield do you curantly have
Stock
30%
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Givi
50%
 50% [ 54 ]
Clearview, small
0%
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med
2%
 2% [ 3 ]
large
1%
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X large
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Other
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skiwoods
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Wed Feb 18, 2009 5:43 pm

Givi. When I bought mine it already had the Givi on it so I have no comparison. I like it because it allows me to wear a baseball cap when I ride. Mostly I wear a helmet, but on occasion I will wear just a ball cap.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:49 pm

I was looking for a thread to comment on this subject and although it's been awhile since anyone's posted in this one it seems the best place for discussion.

Like many already commented I too quickly found that the stock windshield just wasn't doing it for me - not the least of which because it was heavily sun damaged.

Originally, I bought the GIVI 214DT because this was most like what I was already familiar with from other bikes. However, after many rides between El Paso, TX and Tempe, AZ I came to realize that it was not the windshield for such conditions. Sudden high velocity wind gusts and sustained high winds eventually convinced me I needed something else. I looked at the GIVI airflow but having read the comments about problems with them including the top part coming off and becoming a danger, I decided instead on the Clearview windshield with vent. I talked on the phone with Mark from Clearview and found him not only very helpful but a real nice guy who was actively interested in how I rode. Together we decided that the light grey medium Clearview was best for me. Not only would the vent help and the size be appropriate but the light grey would also help with the constant glare you get down here. I have yet to make my ride to Tempe since installation but I will be sure to let you know what I find.

So to sum it up, I came to realize that the only right answer is that you just need to be cognizant of how and where you ride to pick a windshield. A big windshield was best for me in New England where I wanted as much protection from cold air as possible so I could extend my riding season. The wind could get going there but nothing like it does down here for so long and on such sweeping open places. A change in tactics was called for and I believe I've found what's best for me now.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:57 pm

I bought the Givi 214 from a fellow forum member. So far I love it! It lowers wind noise, has more hand proiection and is good quality. The height is a benefit and a bad thing as I prefer to look over the windshield. I have not ridden in the rain so, so so far I enjoy the no buffetting ride.
I rarely ride over 65 to 70 so that is my circumstance.
Yes it is a personal choice.

Thanks
bob
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:03 pm

Somerled wrote:
Tlight grey medium Clearview was best for me. Not only would the vent help and the size be appropriate but the light grey would also help with the constant glare you get down here.


I have the same exact windshield except I have an Clearview XL tinted with vent.

Somerled wrote:
I have yet to make my ride to Tempe since installation but I will be sure to let you know what I find.


When do the rides to Tempe stop Smile

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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:20 pm

honda_silver wrote:
When do the rides to Tempe stop Smile


After they finally release me from the Warrior Transition Unit. Months yet ahead as a medical retirement is not a quick thing. I have plenty of years for a standard retirement but they need to calculate what my disability pension will be based on what my wounds are. When that day finally comes you may hear the yell there in Georgetown as I ride my way into the sunset and the arms of the woman I love.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:04 am

My take----first on windshield performance, you need a base line for comparison for good air management. Mine is the wonderful air management of a BMW equipped with Heinrich Handlebar Fairing and Leg Shields-----GREAT=all day comfort with open face helmet and looking over. I rode behind them for near 20 years.

Stock SilverWing is horrible! I had Clearview with GoldWing Vent, somewhat ok but I had to cut down to look over. No flexing. Better/Best GIVI adjustable. As your seated height varies from day to day. No fly off problems, but watched the 2 adjustment clamps.

Real problem basic design of scooter-----your nose is too far from tip of windshield.

My windshield experience covers over 1.5 million miles. All kinds of weather/conditions. Many bikes/scooters.

Buffeting can drive you crazy---looking thru can kill you.

Note: I have new Honda NT700V---old design, successful in Europe, sales flop in US.It has great air management, probably the best turnkey operation on market. Nose is much closer than on SilverWing. Tried National Cycle new design shield, after 3,000 miles sent it back as it was cracking around mounting points--probably too much wind area for mounts, causing the strain. The shield worked ok, flapped around---stock better.

Bottom Line: GIVI adjustable works best on SilverWing. Hign Side Winds, it can be lowered to get away from the sail effect.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sun Aug 21, 2011 8:06 am

stock windshield finally gave me mpg's in the 50's and buffeting in the front vs wind pushing the back of my helmet forward with the Givi.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:31 am

john grinsel wrote:

Stock SilverWing is horrible! I had Clearview with GoldWing Vent, somewhat ok but I had to cut down to look over. No flexing. Better/Best GIVI adjustable. As your seated height varies from day to day. No fly off problems, but watched the 2 adjustment clamps.

Buffeting can drive you crazy---looking thru can kill you.

Bottom Line: GIVI adjustable works best on SilverWing. Hign Side Winds, it can be lowered to get away from the sail effect.


These are exactly the reasons I went with the light grey medium sized Clearview. I can look over just fine and the light grey optics really help with glare. I spent some time on the phone with Mark from Clearview and told him how tall I am, what I'm riding, where and how. He's quite knowledgable and I'm very happy with my choice. As I said earlier, the real bottomline is what works best for you where and how you ride. I don't like the GIVI airflow. I don't want the hassle of dealing with adjusting it and I also don't need the thought in the back of my mind that it may come off when I'm flying on I-10 to Tempe at speeds in excess of 90 mph. It doesn't work best for me. I'm glad, however, that it works best for you, John. BTW, I've been riding a BMW a long time too. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:20 am

For comment on BMW's-----Unless your were riding Heinrich Equipped, you have no baseline to compare-----myRT80 had bad wind management, among others, R75 with Wixon fairing very bad until lower spoilers were sourced.

GIVI adjustable won't come off if set up right, clamps understood. Of course any adjustments should be made standing still. Up down adjustment very handy.

To come to my conclusion on the GIVI I have tried various windshields and Laminar Lip on Yamaha TMAX, Burgman 400, Reflex, SilverWing and only aftermarket windshield on Helix.

Laminar Lip did not do trick for me----and they are better bolted on---Lost one on big bump in rush hour that was stuck on with their sticky things.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sun Aug 21, 2011 10:47 am

john grinsel wrote:
For comment on BMW's-----Unless your were riding Heinrich Equipped, you have no baseline to compare-----myRT80 had bad wind management, among others, R75 with Wixon fairing very bad until lower spoilers were sourced.


I have a Hannigan faring and Hannigan windshield on mine. You can see it pictured on this forum here:

http://www.silverwing600.com/t3254p15-howdy-from-texas#33322

Not pictured is the piece that attaches to the windshield that forces the air up. As it is removable, and I'm on an Army post where youngsters can run wild sometimes on weekends, I remove it when parked. It attaches with super velcro that can hold 35 tons (or so they say) so I have little fear it will come off at high speed - that and it's light plastic rather than a heavy piece that could take my head off. Not to mention I use the BMW to haul my German Shepherd around in and although the speedometer goes up to 140 mph we don't go that fast anyway. You'd be crazy to with a sidecar of course. The Silverwing is my speed demon.

http://www.hanniganmotorcyclefairings.com/main.html
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:10 pm

Hannagan copy of Glaeser. Glaeser set up allows windshield to move up and down plus the spoiler. Not sure about Hannagan
So assume you get some still air
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:26 pm

Tom,

You need to understand something, no matter what your experience, John knows what is better. And most certainly what is best for you.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:35 pm

jdeereanton wrote:
Tom,

You need to understand something, no matter what your experience, John knows what is better. And most certainly what is best for you.


Yes, I seem to have had that point well illustrated for me. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sun Aug 21, 2011 7:37 pm

Tom Said:
Yes, I seem to have had that point well illustrated for me.

Oh, it will be even more illustrated before you hear the end of this.

BTW.. glad to see you posting again. I missed you. Love that avitar.

Glad to meet your companion Baldur.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:13 pm

Thanks, Gary. Smile

I haven't been riding of late. Doc wanted me to leave off the vibration while the nerve damage in my hand and arm were re-evaluated. I decided it was the perfect time to get my Swing painted. Standby soon for pics.

Oh, and Baldur says "Hi!".
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Sun Aug 21, 2011 9:22 pm

If a person had been riding behind a windshield every day of the year for 50 years straight, he/she would have to travel 82.19178 miles EVERYDAY in order to cover 1,500,000 miles.

Miss a day and you would need to do more than 164 miles to keep up the average.

Just an observation.

Your mileage may vary.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Thu Aug 25, 2011 5:58 am

Stock
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:05 am

Givi Airflow - very pleased with it.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:21 am

I'm 5'10". The stock windshield hit me in the exact wrong place and the wind-stream pushed my head back at highway speed. I use a tall Givi one-piece in the winter but I feel very insulated with it in warmer weather (no air-flow). I just started using a shorty windshield (11" tall) in the warmer weather for better air flow. If the new Givi airfow is as good as they say I might buy one before next winter.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:25 am

My Berman S has a sport windshield - too low. My Swing has a tall Givi with wings to protect hands also. I look through it. I don't even wear my hat tight. ( I know I should wear a helmet) it stays on with no problem. Rain X like on your car windshield works great. If its raining too hard to see through the shield , its time to stop
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:33 am

tubeck wrote:
Rain X like on your car windshield works great.


I have been told by numerous sources that regular rain-x will eat away lexan and cause it to become foggy- irreversible damage. Just FYI.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:46 am

toolboxjesse wrote:
tubeck wrote:
Rain X like on your car windshield works great.


I have been told by numerous sources that regular rain-x will eat away lexan and cause it to become foggy- irreversible damage. Just FYI.


I have heard this, also. Now, I am curious to know if true or not.

Bob
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:54 am

I have heard that too. A soft cloth instead of a paper towel too. I have used rain x for about a year on one. So far OK. I think the benifits of it on the windshield are big even if having to buy a new one every now and then is nessesary.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:46 am

I went from givi tall to back to stock due to 2 cracked givi and 50+ mpg
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:13 am

toolboxjesse wrote:
tubeck wrote:
Rain X like on your car windshield works great.


I have been told by numerous sources that regular rain-x will eat away lexan and cause it to become foggy- irreversible damage. Just FYI.


That would be a concern if the wind screens available for the Silverwing were made of Lexan - they are not.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:42 am

Went from a stock Honda to a Givi Tall to a Givi Airflow. No contest, the Airflow adjustable is the best screen of any bike I've owned. Fully "up" it throws all the air and rain over my head, no back pressure. Fully "Down" I get a good blast of air in my chest and face, but no buffeting and not too much water if it's raining. About half way, some air to my face and very little rain. Even my hands stay pretty dry and out of the airstream at any setting, due to the small "wings" at the bottom of the screen.
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:49 am

Givi, give goldwinger a job selling windshields
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Fri Aug 26, 2011 9:45 am

Well, I wouldn't mind selling Airflows for Swings, easy money!!!!

Anyone want to buy a Stock or Givi Tall?

Ian
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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:40 am

I love my Givi Air Flow adjustable. I put a regular Givi on my last Silverwing and I like the adjustable so much better. I think of it as the best modification I have done yet to it.

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PostSubject: Re: stock windshield or not   Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:42 am

IDwingit wrote:
If a person had been riding behind a windshield every day of the year for 50 years straight, he/she would have to travel 82.19178 miles EVERYDAY in order to cover 1,500,000 miles.

Miss a day and you would need to do more than 164 miles to keep up the average.

Just an observation.

Your mileage may vary.


That is putting the pencil to the paper and coming up with good numbers right there. It tells ya something.

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