For those that wish to be able to start their Swing with the side stand down, here's the easy way I did it. I don't want to get into a debate over the appropriateness of doing this mod, as that's your final decision.

1) Remove the left passenger foot peg plate
2) Separate the green connector leading up from the sidestand
3) Insert a spade lug into the upper part of the green connector, shorting out the 2 metal pins
4) Secure the spade lug with good electrical tape so it doesn't vibrate out
5) Tape the 2 separated green connector halves to the frame so they don't move around
6) replace the left passenger foot peg plate


"the green connectors separated"


"the 2 pins that must be shorted together"


"the spade lug jumper"


"the jumper installed over the 2 pins"

To do this the safe way use your parking brake to bypass the side stand switch ......... Your scoot will start and run with the side stand down only when the parking brake is on.

Both the parking brake light and the start/run relay need a ground to be activated. How convenient!

The parking brake light gets its ground from a micro switch mounted to the brake handle that you can't get to unless you remove the front tupperware.
The side stand switch closes a ground to the starter relay. You don't want to splice in that area because it will be exposed to all the nasty road grime and gook.
That being the case, let's tap in to the other end of the conductor from those switches.

You will need to have a way to run a small gauge wire (I used 16 stranded) from behind the windshield garnish to left side rear body panel. I think DennisB has an easy way to do this by using the hollow tubing from the running board frame as a conduit. Chime in on this if you will sir.
When I performed the side stand bypass all of my body panels were removed.

To tap in to the parking brake switch ground you will need to remove the windshield garnish. You will see a brown connector feeding the headlights; to the left you will see a metal tab that holds it in place. Bend the tab down far enough to move the brown connector out of the way. To the right of the opening you will find a rubber boot over the two connector packs feeding the information center. Pull the tab on the rubber boot and slide the boot down the harness. Disconnect the lower connector; the lock tab is on the left side. You will see a white with a black trace wire on the bottom part of the connector; this is the trigger ground from the parking brake switch, splice in to this conductor.

Now for the left rear starter relay area, splice in your diode so the flow is from the parking brake trigger to the starter relay. Pull the connector pac from the starter relay and connect your trigger wire to the green with a black trace wire from the side stand switch. Test the bypass and button things up!

BTW, if you don't use a diode your parking brake light will come on when you fold the side stand.

Bigbird that looks to be a really simple task. Thanks for the pictorial. I understand things when I look at pictures. (Brain now addled)

Hi Waspie,

Here's a thread from about a year ago that covers this pretty well. http://www.silverwing600.com/silver-wing-topics-f3/disabling-the-sidestand-engine-immobilizer-t753.htm?highlight=sidestand

I can't believe you would post such an unsafe suggestion! What if someone scraped their knuckle disconnecting that plug or something? I find this post highly inappropriate

On a serious note, I like your jumper - very creative.

Acquired a couple of 'jumper' this morning and have seen the connectors. I will carry out the job when my rear wheel is back on my sick S'wing. See my thread 'Good to bad day'!!.

I re-enabled my side stand safety switch and threw away the spade lug jumper idea. Besides a safety issue, here's why:

http://www.silverwing600.com/t3900-drivability-problem-solved#35623

Just gone back over the pictorial Bigbird submitted and note now, in hindsight, that the spade connector that was used was of the 'auto' variety. (Halfords style for us Brits). I used a (Shhhhhh don't tell, military spec, as fitted to UK main battle tanks,) type. Seriously tight with sorta spikes to grip onto the pins!

So I'm kinda confident at the moment but I am most grateful to Bigbird for drawing our attention to a potential serious problem.

Hi,

Now that I have a Silverwing to look at again...I came up with a locking Kickstand Bypass Connector. Easy to install and it locks in and won't fall out to leave you stranded and scraching your head on the side of the road.

I'll make a few of these if any one wants one. I'm thinking $6.00 and $2.00 shipping for this item. Sorry...Post Office prices now Suck!

dennis.berney@gmail.com

I'm installing one on my scooter tomorrow.

Dennis, you da man. Thank you for making our Silverwings even more enjoyable than Honda has. Now that you have a Wing again, I cant wait to see all the new things you think up that we didn't know we needed. You keep thinking them up and making them and we will keep buying them. At least those that we can afford. I have a wish list and little at a time, as I can afford, I will make that list get smaller.

Dennis, do you take paypal?

Hi Ted,

Yes, I do...Or personal checks. I'll send you a PM with the information.

Hi Ted,

You silverwing kickstand bypass connector is on it's way. I also included an 8" tie strap so you can secure the, now un-used, switch connector loosely to your scooters frame to keep it safe.

Thank You,

Dennis

Well, I changed my mind and re-enabled my side stand bypass.

The reasoning and method follows here:

http://silverwing600tech.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=as&action=display&thread=67

I cannot believe so many people want to disconnect the side stand switch,it is there for a safety reason and i cannot see any benefit for doing such an unsafe mod,i know it up to the individuals concerned to do what ever they wish to their scoots and i respect their choise but i don't think that it should be made public on this forum how to do it or advertise the parts required to complete the task,it is dangerous.In my early years of motorcycling the late 60/70's most bikes did not have side stand switches and it was common to see people driving with the side stand down only to find out the fact on the 1st left hand bend.Anyone who has ground the s/stand will till you it is frightening and could throw you off the bike or direct you into oncoming traffic or roadside verge so please do not attempt this mod.I would not like to read on this fine forum that someone has had an accident or a fatality and the insurance would not pay up because of a dangerous mod that serves no purpose.I am sorry if i have offended anyone but i have read this topic on several occasions and every time it makes me shudder just thinking about the consequences.I speak from experience and i have always been lucky but i have seen people with a nasty case of gravel rash and a damaged bike. Don't do it.

A good reason

Did you heard the scratching sound shortly before the crash?
What do you think was this?

I only use for my side stand for mounting and dismounting, or for draining off water after washing. Like vmaximus I remember the days before side stand safety switches when it was all too easy to ride off with it down and I've no wish to back to those days. Disabling it may have advantages, but riding off with the side stand down and crashing could disable you...permanently.

Under the german text:

Don't forget the kickstand!

And the result is the same on the racetrack and on a scooter (also on a scooter you are riding the curve not upright): If you forget the sidestand you will crash your bike in a left turn, sometimes earlier and sometimes later...

[quote="bigbird"]For those that wish to be able to start their Swing with the side stand down, here's the easy way I did it. I don't want to get into a debate over the appropriateness of doing this mod, as that's your final decision. ] This from the opening post on this subject says it all.

I always put my wing up on the center stand when I park
so the switch is not a concern for me .
For those of you who want to bypass the switch , go ahead , it's a free country (or least it used to be)

Just my five cents worth

It would be inappropriate on a responsible forum not to have both pros and cons of such a modification described.

That members feel passionately about them is inevitable.
Where the fault, if there is one, lies is in the interpretation of expression of those feelings as direct criticism of others.
It may well be the case but should not be assumed to be so.

I might say I consider it dangerous but must also state the reasons why.
It is not for someone who holds the contrary view to tell me I'm wrong but to state, as I have, why he holds that view.

Those who have not considered such a modification or may be in doubt as to whether it's wise or not are then in a position to judge for themselves, unhindered by more personal remarks which may cloud the issue.

That's what I think.

Not everyone's motorcycle insurance is the same.
Our government-run no fault insurance could care less if an incident is caused by a defeated side stand switch.
They pay regardless of fault or cause.

This is just my opinion, I can't see the value add on this for me and I think it is a bit dangerous for the occasional fair weather rider. The rider who in fact gets angry every time they go to start their scooter and find it not starting due to the side stand switch, so they disable it. I am not saying that everyone that does this mod on their bike is an occasional fair weather rider.

My routine of starting a motorcycle is, side stand up, key on, hit the starter. It has been this routine for 25 years, ever since they started putting side stand switches on motorcycles for safety reasons.

One last thing: Your mod is on the bike. Something happens to you... as in you pass on. Your family sells the scooter to a new rider. New rider hurts themselves on a mod that they inherited. My example is extreme, you could have just forgotten and sold it to the new buyer without remembering to un do the mod for safety sake. You have now put a new rider on an unsafe motorcycle, period.

I am not going to hijack this thread, I am going to merely make a remark that some of the same people who have done this mod and have unquestionably argued the right to do so and that it is safe have attacked others who have decided to mount a car tire on their bike. (Which has never been the cause of an accident.)

SIDE STANDS DOWN CAUSE ACCIDENTS ON LEFT HAND TURNS, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

I am just saying.....