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Opalsboy Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1244 Age: 67 Location: Rison, Arkansas Points: 2556 Registration date: 2009-01-10
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Aug 12, 2010 1:49 pm | |
| Hammy ... the method I used was pretty straight forward... take top plug out,... take bottom plug out... wait for oil to drain... then use a squeeze bottle with a proper size spout to fit the bottom hole very tightly and just squeeze till the oil starts to come out of top hole... then put plug in top hole then put plug in bottom... I still intend to find the bottle or one like it that I used... the key is to find one that does fit the bottom hole tightly. I have done it twice and just did it... hope you can have some success with it. I like the idea you and Cosmic Jumper used leaning the scoot a little... I can see how that might work to allow the air to escape which is what I gained by using my method. I was like you, making a big mess and putting more oil on ground than in the drive...
When it gets cooler, like in the low 80s or upper 70s, I am going to find that dang squeeze bottle. Then locate a dozen or so then send them to anyone that wants to try one. I can't stand this heat.... and my squirrels are still complaining too. |
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honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2111 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3353 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:35 pm | |
| _________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
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Hammy Touring Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 337 Age: 34 Location: Philadelphia, PA Points: 992 Registration date: 2010-05-22
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:36 pm | |
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russcarver Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 35 Location: Erie, CO (Denver area) Points: 711 Registration date: 2010-04-14
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:47 am | |
| I found the said oil can on Harbor Freight's website:
http://www.harborfreight.com/8-oz-high-pressure-oiler-66350.html
However, it says the nozzle is 3-1/8" long. The pictorial mentions needing about 4".
Anyone know if this can will work?
--Russ |
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JeffR Site Admin

Number of posts: 1672 Age: 52 Location: Fremont, Ca Points: 2838 Registration date: 2008-12-19
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Fri Sep 24, 2010 12:29 pm | |
| Russ,
It looks like it should work fine. I did the pictorial and mine is about 4" and it has plenty of room to put the oil in the final drive. _________________ Ride safe, JeffR 2007 Silver Wing (30,000 miles) 2005 Majesty 400 (sold 12,500 miles) 2004 Reflex (sold 3,500 miles) Givi Windshield, top case, vista cruise, power commander, dr pulley sliders, air hawk seat pad, (J. Costa not installed now), kevlar belt  |
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russcarver Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 35 Location: Erie, CO (Denver area) Points: 711 Registration date: 2010-04-14
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:05 pm | |
| I am changing the final drive oil this weekend & see that the service manual says to replace the sealing washers @ the filler bolt and the drain bolt. However, my Honda parts guys @ the dealership can't find them in their list of parts on the microfiche.
Does anyone know the part numbers?
--Russ |
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honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2111 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3353 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:57 pm | |
| | russcarver wrote: | I am changing the final drive oil this weekend & see that the service manual says to replace the sealing washers @ the filler bolt and the drain bolt. However, my Honda parts guys @ the dealership can't find them in their list of parts on the microfiche.
Does anyone know the part numbers? |
Under Transmission:
http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model_years/1493-honda-2007-silver-wing-FSC600A/assemblies/18535
Final drive bolt: 8 SKU: 90051-MCT-000 BOLT, SPECIAL (8X22) Washer: 12 SKU: 90474-333-000 WASHER, SEALING (8MM) _________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
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russcarver Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 35 Location: Erie, CO (Denver area) Points: 711 Registration date: 2010-04-14
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:08 pm | |
| Thanks for the part numbers for the bolt and the sealing washer for where you put in the final drive oil.
I'm also looking for the sealing washer that goes on the drain bolt. I can't seem to find it scouring through pages.
Does anyone know which part it is?
--Russ |
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honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2111 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3353 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:02 pm | |
| | russcarver wrote: | I'm also looking for the sealing washer that goes on the drain bolt. I can't seem to find it scouring through pages.
Does anyone know which part it is? |
The final drive bolt looks like it has a washer on it in the exploded diagram ... but it does not. Number 8 is one piece ... it is indeed the shape of the bolt. That is how I found the bolt in the first place by it's unique shape._________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
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russcarver Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 35 Location: Erie, CO (Denver area) Points: 711 Registration date: 2010-04-14
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:14 pm | |
| Yes, and thank you for the tip! But to reiterate, I need TWO sealing washers.
One fits on the final drive bolt (part #90474-333-000 as you specified above - thanks!).
The other fits on the drain bolt (where you drain out the final drive oil).
It's the latter that I cannot find.
Help!
--Russ |
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Sweendog Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 154 Location: South New Jersey Points: 1110 Registration date: 2009-07-12
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:39 pm | |
| That washer isn't listed on the transmission area of the fiche. When I examined mine the washer didn't appear to be anything special (not a crushable washer etc.) it looked to be just a plain steel washer. I reused it.
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russcarver Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 35 Location: Erie, CO (Denver area) Points: 711 Registration date: 2010-04-14
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:42 pm | |
| Great! I'll reuse the drain bolt washer then as it's metal. What about the final drive bolt washer...is it metal too? And if thery're metal, why do they recommend replacing? I would still like to know the part number of the 2nd washer....just because I'm an engineer and I HAVE to know!  --Russ |
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honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2111 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3353 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:58 pm | |
| | russcarver wrote: | The other fits on the drain bolt (where you drain out the final drive oil).
It's the latter that I cannot find. |
Swingarm
http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model_years/1493-honda-2007-silver-wing-FSC600A/assemblies/18530
I believe they are trying to (poorly) point to below the SWingarm.
Only one of each 037 95701-08018-00 BOLT, FLANGE (8X18) 026 90474-333-000 WASHER (8MM)
You can have your Honda dealer confirm it.
_________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
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Sweendog Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 154 Location: South New Jersey Points: 1110 Registration date: 2009-07-12
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Sep 30, 2010 7:59 pm | |
| | honda_silver wrote: | | russcarver wrote: | The other fits on the drain bolt (where you drain out the final drive oil).
It's the latter that I cannot find. |
Swingarm
http://www.cheapcycleparts.com/model_years/1493-honda-2007-silver-wing-FSC600A/assemblies/18530
I believe they are trying to (poorly) point to below the SWingarm.
Only one of each 037 95701-08018-00 BOLT, FLANGE (8X18) 026 90474-333-000 WASHER (8MM)
You can have your Honda dealer confirm it.
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That could be it, but it's still just a regular ol' 8mm washer. =) |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1763 Age: 61 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 2547 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Thu Sep 30, 2010 8:14 pm | |
| None of those washers are crush washers, so just re-use them all. |
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russcarver Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 35 Location: Erie, CO (Denver area) Points: 711 Registration date: 2010-04-14
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:20 am | |
| The oil change went well. The filler bolt (7/32" hex) does have a washer attached to it as well as another washer behind it (I ride a 2005). Both that washer and the drain bolt washer were metal as stated and in excellent condition so I reused them.
I got a pistol grip oil can with a narrow & long spout that fit perfectly (at Napa auto). It holds 6 oz and I got nearly 3 cans into the hole (the can doesn't fully drain by pumping).
I went with Shell Rotella T5 synthetic blend (same as my engine oil).
Cheers!
--Russ |
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john123 Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 116 Age: 63 Location: Santa Barbara California Points: 877 Registration date: 2010-02-21
 | Subject: Alen wrench Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:07 pm | |
| The size of the allen wrench would help in your description. Thanks |
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russcarver Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 35 Location: Erie, CO (Denver area) Points: 711 Registration date: 2010-04-14
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:59 pm | |
| As described, it is a 7/32" hex (or allen wrench). I personally used a 7/32" hex drill bit as my allen wrench would not break it free.
--Russ |
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redeye Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 141 Age: 51 Location: Maryland Points: 635 Registration date: 2010-10-13
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:29 pm | |
| JeffR, another thank you for the maintenance pictorials. This afternoon, I decided it was time to change the Silver Wing's final drive oil. Fortunately, I found a 12mm wrench with open-end on one end and six-point box on the other, a quarter inch hex tool, and an oil can with a long nozzle in the garage. Your instructions couldn't have been more accurate. My only regret is not capturing the old final drive oil in a separate container. I am convinced that far more new oil went into the reservoir than old oil came out during the draining process. Having purchased the Swing almost nine years after its manufacture, I am wondering if any of the prior owners replaced the oil. Just as you explained, I kept pumping the oil can after filling it once and refilling it two more times until oil began seeping back out. On my first attempt, the entire process required less than a half hour, including the time I left the garage to allow the old oil to drain completely. My actual hands-on time was probably 10 minutes or so.
Previously, I had performed an engine oil and filter change per your pictorial instructions. Today, the Swing received new final drive oil. Next up is the air filter. Thanks again! |
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redeye Maxi-Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 141 Age: 51 Location: Maryland Points: 635 Registration date: 2010-10-13
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Mon Feb 28, 2011 5:46 am | |
| | redeye wrote: | | a quarter inch hex tool |
My mistake. This was a 6mm hex tool, not quarter inch. |
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joncallihan Silver Wing Expert


Number of posts: 731 Age: 74 Location: Lafayette, Colorado, USA Points: 1943 Registration date: 2009-02-16
 | Subject: Re: Changing the Final Drive Oil Pictorial Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:32 am | |
| | russcarver wrote: | As described, it is a 7/32" hex (or allen wrench). I personally used a 7/32" hex drill bit as my allen wrench would not break it free.
--Russ |
Russ,
ALL bolt heads, nuts and allen (hex) drive fittings on the Swing are metric.
While a 7/32 inch is CLOSE to 6mm it is not exact.
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