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Opalsboy Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1279 Age: 67 Location: Rison, Arkansas Points: 2696 Registration date: 2009-01-10
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:29 am | |
| HHmmmm... I will apply for a govt grant to describe "high is up"... get back to you on that...  + BUT.... did you "hear it on the internet"?.... that is the only source really trust worthy... BTW... if we are going to keep having these conversations, you are going to have to drop the "plethora" type words.... dang it man, I can't even pronounce that one... is the p or the h silent? it is obvious that you are not from Arkansas. |
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jdeereanton Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1767 Age: 74 Location: Huntsville, AL Points: 3057 Registration date: 2008-12-24
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:43 am | |
| | redtailhawk wrote: | | Dale, you made reference to the SW's variator being inefficient at higher speeds. |
Actually I wrote (and say) that the drive train is inefficient at higher speeds.
| redtailhawk wrote: | | Do you know why that is so, and would the replacement J. Corti make any differences? |
I do not know why that is so and it is truly only a suspicion on my part, yet seems born out by the lower numbers many are reporting at high speed and by my own high speed experience.
| redtailhawk wrote: | | Also, someone else here suggested that the Corti might deliver less mpg in exchange for more spritely response. What are your thought on that? Hawk |
The J.Costa variator is not necessarily the solution for lower MPG. I does seem to have a minor effect on engine RPM, but that does not remove what I perceive to be the major contributing factor - the drive train inefficiencies. The J. Costa does seem to provide (based on anecdotal evidence) more spirited performance. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2160 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3057 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:30 pm | |
| | redtailhawk wrote: | | Dale, you made reference to the SW's variator being inefficient at higher speeds. Do you know why that is so, and would the replacement J. Corti make any differences? Also, someone else here suggested that the Corti might deliver less mpg in exchange for more spritely response. What are your thought on that? Hawk |
I can answer some of that for you. The J.Costa variator is slightly more efficient at high speeds because the shape of the outer sheave of the variator allows the belt to climb higher on the sheave. This increases the distance that 1 rotation of the sheave turns the belt. This effectively lowers the gearing. The J. Costa definitely lowers the mpg in turn for more spritely response. It has to. The J.Costa raises the rpm by about 500 at all speeds up to about 75 mph. You don't get something for nothing. |
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Hammy Touring Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 337 Age: 35 Location: Philadelphia, PA Points: 1097 Registration date: 2010-05-22
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:54 pm | |
| Given that I usually ride between 70 to 83mph, should I expect better mileage from a J. Costa versus the stock variator? |
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jdeereanton Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1767 Age: 74 Location: Huntsville, AL Points: 3057 Registration date: 2008-12-24
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Wed Aug 11, 2010 2:08 pm | |
| | Quote: | | Given that I usually ride between 70 to 83mph, should I expect better mileage from a J. Costa versus the stock variator? |
Ask a question that only a Magic 8-Ball can answer - get a Magic 8-Ball answer: It is unlikely.  |
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Opalsboy Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1279 Age: 67 Location: Rison, Arkansas Points: 2696 Registration date: 2009-01-10
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:11 pm | |
| Hammy... are you superstitious or something.... 83mph? Where did that come from .  .. and in spite of Dales reluctance to define "fast"  , if my wife was riding with you, THAT WOULD BE 'TOO FAST'..... Just kidding EVERYBODY... my meds are wearing off..... |
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Hammy Touring Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 337 Age: 35 Location: Philadelphia, PA Points: 1097 Registration date: 2010-05-22
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Wed Aug 11, 2010 10:42 pm | |
| 83mph was just before the tach went above 6000rpm... Trying to figure out how to get my mileage back. Cosmic Jumper came over to my place to help me with Senora, and I got to ride his Swing. VERY different feel with his setup (hyperpro springs and HiT clutch and darkside tire) -- felt a lot tighter and more steady whereas Senora bobs up and down because of the softer stock springs.
I guess I'll find out whether the new spark plugs will make any difference. I measured the gap in the old plugs and found that one of them was at 0.041, which is more than what it's supposed be (within 0.031 to 0.035). Dunno if that might be why I was getting the low mileage I was getting, even when going slow. |
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honda_silver Site Admin

Number of posts: 2258 Age: 51 Location: Georgetown, Tx Points: 3605 Registration date: 2008-12-23
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:11 am | |
| | Hammy wrote: | | I measured the gap in the old plugs and found that one of them was at 0.041, which is more than what it's supposed be (within 0.031 to 0.035). |
Which is why I went with Iridium spark plugs. I did not get get better gas ... just longer life. The first spark plugs were changed around ~8k ... the Irididium have been in for 40K._________________ Bill - Georgetown TX 07 Silver Wing ABS Clearview w/vent, Givi E96/TB19/E52 with Admore Lighting, Alaskan Leather, Wrist Rests, 3M Solas tape, K&N air, Hyperpro spring, Grip Puppies, Airhawk, Utopia backrest, Stebel, Apexcone HIDs, StingerZ LEDs (w/Backoff WigWag), Knight Rider Sequential LED, NGK Iridium, Power Commander III, Manic Salamander, Saeng mirrors, Garmin Zumo 660, Dark-Side Sumitomo Tire  |
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jdeereanton Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1767 Age: 74 Location: Huntsville, AL Points: 3057 Registration date: 2008-12-24
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:09 am | |
| | honda_silver wrote: | | Hammy wrote: | | I measured the gap in the old plugs and found that one of them was at 0.041, which is more than what it's supposed be (within 0.031 to 0.035). |
Which is why I went with Iridium spark plugs. I did not get get better gas ... just longer life. The first spark plugs were changed around ~8k ... the Irididium have been in for 40K. |
Wow Bill, you went with iridium plugs because sometime in the future a fellow going by the on-line name "Hammy" would discover that one of his plugs was not gapped properly? That's cool.
I'm still running the original plugs in mine. 23k miles. The plugs have been cleaned and the gap checked/set 3 times.
Hammy, I think that ensuring the proper gap will reap some benefit in smoothing out the engine, but will return little in the MPG realm. |
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Hammy Touring Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 337 Age: 35 Location: Philadelphia, PA Points: 1097 Registration date: 2010-05-22
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:29 am | |
| My stock plugs didn't look fouled nor did they have a white ring or anything or any noticeable degradation. Then again, I don't know much about spark plugs or what else to look for. I've got everything changed for right now that needed to be changed and current setup is:
NGK Iridium plugs Shell Rotella T6 5W40 oil Stock shield (just cos I love that wind... NOT!) New belt 26g Sliders
I'll have to put in a good run at 6000rpm, 5500rpm, and 5000rpm to see what my mileage becomes. I was just wondering why riding 25 to 40mph would only net me 50mpg. I'll try again and see what figures I get. Guess I'll just have to live with whatever I get cos I love how the Silver Wing rides and I don't really care to alter how I ride. Guess it'll just be more expensive! |
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redtailhawk Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 9 Location: Eastern Sierra Nevada Points: 668 Registration date: 2010-08-07
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:26 pm | |
| Bigbird, thanks for your explanation. It was as clear as it could be. I appeciate that. Now I know the tradeoffs. Hawk |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2160 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3057 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Thu Aug 12, 2010 6:44 pm | |
| | redtailhawk wrote: | | Bigbird, thanks for your explanation. It was as clear as it could be. I appeciate that. Now I know the tradeoffs. Hawk |
You're welcome. I like the J. Costa now that I got used to it. Initially it seemed like the engine was revving too high compared to stock. Now I would say that the stock engine revs too low on acceleration compared to the J. Costa. Be aware that the J. Costa's pins need replacement at about 10k miles. They're $65US from Scootertrap. Some, like JeffR, have gone back from the J. Costa to the stock variator but use Dr. Pulley sliders (23gr, 26gr, or 28gr) in place of the stock variator rollers. They claim acceleration almost equivalent to the J. Costa but without the increased revs of the J. Costa. Something else to think about. Sorry if now you're really confused. |
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redtailhawk Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 9 Location: Eastern Sierra Nevada Points: 668 Registration date: 2010-08-07
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Fri Aug 13, 2010 9:18 am | |
| Thanks again, Bigbird, I give that some thought and research. I'm off on a 10 day scoot up the Redwood coast into B.C. and back through the West, so I'll have plenty of time to consider my options. hawk. |
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compguy Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 69 Age: 65 Location: Lakeland, Fla Points: 703 Registration date: 2010-10-11
 | Subject: How many miles can you go on a gas tank? Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:27 pm | |
| I'm wondering is how far someone can safely go on a gas tank. So far I've gone 179 miles and when I filled up it took 3.5 gal. That tells me there is still .8 gal still in the tank or possibly another 30+ miles. I don't always run that low as a matter of fact when the gauge starts blinking I get scared and fill up (most times). But I need to know if I get into a situation just how far I can go.
Once when I was riding my Reflex in New Mexico I checked the map and thought I would run up on a gas station in plenty of time only to find there wasn't a gas station at that location and had to run on fumes for another 25 miles.
Keith
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2160 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3057 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Thu Mar 24, 2011 3:51 pm | |
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masscoot Touring Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 343 Location: Central New England Points: 1514 Registration date: 2009-03-24
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Thu Mar 24, 2011 4:08 pm | |
| Keith,
That is exactly what I get within a mile or two. Now averaging about 53 mpg, I fill up when the last bar flashes even though I know I have at least 40 miles left. Last year doing the last leg of the Scooter cannonball run we were between checkpoints and the light started flashing. When I did get a chance to fill up I put in 4.0 gallons even...way too close for comfort! To answer your question you can go pretty far after the flash starts.
I just checked the other link and agree with Gary that after fillup reset your trip odometer. When the first solid bar goes away that is a close indication to your mpg. I have done this many times and it works for me. |
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jdeereanton Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 1767 Age: 74 Location: Huntsville, AL Points: 3057 Registration date: 2008-12-24
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Fri Mar 25, 2011 4:30 am | |
| | compguy wrote: | I'm wondering is how far someone can safely go on a gas tank. So far I've gone 179 miles and when I filled up it took 3.5 gal. That tells me there is still .8 gal still in the tank or possibly another 30+ miles. I don't always run that low as a matter of fact when the gauge starts blinking I get scared and fill up (most times). But I need to know if I get into a situation just how far I can go.
Once when I was riding my Reflex in New Mexico I checked the map and thought I would run up on a gas station in plenty of time only to find there wasn't a gas station at that location and had to run on fumes for another 25 miles.
Keith
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I agree, and in the interest of trying to keep a tidy forum I have merged the two threads. |
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bigbird Silver Wing Guru


Number of posts: 2160 Location: Winnipeg Canada Points: 3057 Registration date: 2010-05-02
 | Subject: Re: Mileage Fri Mar 25, 2011 7:14 am | |
| | jdeereanton wrote: | I agree, and in the interest of trying to keep a tidy forum I have merged the two threads. |
Tidy, efficient, and reasonable. Good work! |
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