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mle
Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 3
Age: 62
Location: Grand Haven, MI
Points: 671
Registration date: 2010-08-01
 |  Subject: final gear oil  Sun Aug 01, 2010 5:52 am | |
| Where do I find the drain and fill plug on my newly purchased used silverwing?
Also, what type of oil or lube is specified?
Also, why is this not in the owners manual? |
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DennisB
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 2397
Points: 4095
Registration date: 2008-12-28
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:13 am | |
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JeffR
Site Admin
Number of posts: 1672
Age: 52
Location: Fremont, Ca
Points: 2943
Registration date: 2008-12-19
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:23 am | |
| mle,
Welcome to the site and hope you enjoy it. If you follow the link that Dennis gave you won't have to remove any covers at all and it is very simple. Just get some type of oil can with a long nozzle to fill your oil through the small hole. I have gear oil in it now but I think I will be putting the motor oil back in. If you read some of the posts about the final drive oil I'm thinking that syn motor oil may be better. Again welcome. _________________ Ride safe, JeffR 2007 Silver Wing (30,000 miles) 2005 Majesty 400 (sold 12,500 miles) 2004 Reflex (sold 3,500 miles) Givi Windshield, top case, vista cruise, power commander, dr pulley sliders, air hawk seat pad, (J. Costa not installed now), kevlar belt  |
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Slick-Tenn
Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 47
Points: 732
Registration date: 2010-07-19
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:25 am | |
| | mle wrote: | Where do I find the drain and fill plug on my newly purchased used silverwing?
Also, what type of oil or lube is specified?
Also, why is this not in the owners manual? |
I too recently purchased an 03. I called my local Honda dealer and he said they use "Honda Gear Oil" - whatever that is. I drained out the old and it smelled like gear oil, so replaced it with 10 oz (the exact same amt I drained out) of Amsoil Severe Gear 80W90. |
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bigbird
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 2160
Location: Winnipeg Canada
Points: 3057
Registration date: 2010-05-02
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:32 am | |
| | Slick-Tenn wrote: | | I too recently purchased an 03. I called my local Honda dealer and he said they use "Honda Gear Oil" - whatever that is. I drained out the old and it smelled like gear oil, so replaced it with 10 oz (the exact same amt I drained out) of Amsoil Severe Gear 80W90. |
My Honda dealer just uses whatever the service manual suggests, and that's Honda 10W-30 motor oil. |
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DennisB
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 2397
Points: 4095
Registration date: 2008-12-28
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:45 am | |
| Hi All,
This is what the Honda shop manual says:
Recommended final reduction oil.
Pro Honda GN4 or HP4 (Without molybdenum additives)
4-stroke oil or equivalent motor oil
API service classification: SG or Higher
JASO T903 standard: MA
Viscosity: SAE 10W-40
That's right from Honda, use anything you want....It's your bike but the manual is pretty straght forward about this! |
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bigbird
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 2160
Location: Winnipeg Canada
Points: 3057
Registration date: 2010-05-02
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:01 am | |
| | DennisB wrote: | Hi All,
This is what the Honda shop manual says:
Recommended final reduction oil.
Pro Honda GN4 or HP4 (Without molybdenum additives)
4-stroke oil or equivalent motor oil
API service classification: SG or Higher
JASO T903 standard: MA
Viscosity: SAE 10W-40
That's right from Honda, use anything you want....It's your bike but the manual is pretty straght forward about this! |
That's strange, Dennis.
My factory service manual specs are:
Pro Honda GN4 4 stroke oil (USA and Canada) or equivalent
API: SG or higher
JASO T903 standard: MA
Viscosity: SAE 10W-30
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DennisB
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 2397
Points: 4095
Registration date: 2008-12-28
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:16 am | |
| Hey bigbird, That's not strange...You must have a newer Honda shop manual then I have. Mines 2002 thru 2006. |
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bigbird
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 2160
Location: Winnipeg Canada
Points: 3057
Registration date: 2010-05-02
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Sun Aug 01, 2010 11:36 am | |
| | DennisB wrote: | | Hey bigbird, That's not strange...You must have a newer Honda shop manual then I have. Mines 2002 thru 2006. |
Well what's strange is that my manual applies for all years of Swing, 02-10. If something is specific to older models it's mentioned. So I assume that sometime after '06 Honda decided to spec 10W-30 for all Swing final drives. |
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MikeO
Site Admin
Number of posts: 1724
Age: 62
Location: Western Europe
Points: 2867
Registration date: 2009-06-29
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Sun Aug 01, 2010 12:47 pm | |
| I think it's the same for other manufacturers; Piaggio have the same handbook for all X9s.....I think there were up to nine variants.
This resulted in customers being ripped off on occasions as service intervals were different on some models - the dealers always went for the shortest!
The last ones had service intervals stretched from 4000 to 6000 miles but the books didn't change.
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'09 Silverwing 600 - 'The Winged Express' - Delta Blue, ABS, Heated Grips, Givi Airflow Screen, Utopia rider's backrest, Givi pillion backrest & E52 Topbox, Cortech Super Mini Tank Bag as a tunnel-bag, Starcom Digital Comms System.
www.x9ownersclub.co.uk - for all Maxi-Riders who want to RIDE!
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buddy19520
Super Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 286
Location: Cornelius NC
Points: 1129
Registration date: 2010-02-27
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Sun Aug 01, 2010 6:50 pm | |
| | bigbird wrote: | | DennisB wrote: | Hi All,
This is what the Honda shop manual says:
Recommended final reduction oil.
Pro Honda GN4 or HP4 (Without molybdenum additives)
4-stroke oil or equivalent motor oil
API service classification: SG or Higher
JASO T903 standard: MA
Viscosity: SAE 10W-40
That's right from Honda, use anything you want....It's your bike but the manual is pretty straght forward about this! |
That's strange, Dennis.
My factory service manual specs are:
Pro Honda GN4 4 stroke oil (USA and Canada) or equivalent
API: SG or higher
JASO T903 standard: MA
Viscosity: SAE 10W-30
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Could your manual be specific to Canada? A lower viscosity could be fine in cooler temperatures, just like with engine oil.
BTW, my 2002-2003 FSC600 Honda Service Manual calls for 10w-40 for both the engine and final reduction. |
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bigbird
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 2160
Location: Winnipeg Canada
Points: 3057
Registration date: 2010-05-02
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Sun Aug 01, 2010 9:21 pm | |
| | buddy19520 wrote: |
Could your manual be specific to Canada? |
No, I got it from Helm in the US.
I think that the newer Swing's have a different spec for oil, for whatever reason. |
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GaryL
Super Scooter Rider
Number of posts: 237
Age: 59
Location: Casa Grande, Arizona
Points: 943
Registration date: 2010-07-09
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:27 pm | |
| My dealer told me that in 2006, Honda decided that the lighter weight oil provided 'sufficient' lubrication, so changed their recommendations to 10W-30 from 10W-40, although 10W-40 is still listed in the Service manual as acceptable under all conditions, just like 10W-30. This was also true with the GoldWing. Honda cars now use 5W-20 oil. The thinner oil makes for a slight improvement is gas mileage, all else being equal, or so they tell me. |
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bigbird
Silver Wing Guru
Number of posts: 2160
Location: Winnipeg Canada
Points: 3057
Registration date: 2010-05-02
| | Subject: Re: final gear oil Mon Aug 02, 2010 5:47 am | |
| | GaryL wrote: | | My dealer told me that in 2006, Honda decided that the lighter weight oil provided 'sufficient' lubrication, so changed their recommendations to 10W-30 from 10W-40, although 10W-40 is still listed in the Service manual as acceptable under all conditions, just like 10W-30. This was also true with the GoldWing. Honda cars now use 5W-20 oil. The thinner oil makes for a slight improvement is gas mileage, all else being equal, or so they tell me. |
Finally, a dealer who appears to know something about the products they sell. A rare bird these days, it seems. |
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