I am far from perfect my friend but the errors were glaringly obvious and to be honest begged to be commented upon.

Many of us use the Give 214 adjustable screen and the item you described was nothing like the Givi product which is a two part item comprising only of a upper and lower screen.

As for confusing Suzuki with Yamaha!!!!

We actually have a dedicated thread for the spelling of Burgman so I wont go there, you may, feel free, it is worth losing a few minutes of your life seeing our take on the word and Suzuki in general.

Hi everybody, I'm a new SWing owner. I bought mine used 2007 from a nice couple up in Yucaipa, CA with 527 miles on it for less that $4900! Thing runs like a Caddy! When I took it to a local Honda bike dealer for it's 1st scheduled maintenance at 600 miles, the mechanic told me that "this thing is cherry!". So I feel a bit lucky at my find.. But anyway, I just bought the GIVI adjustable windshield on Ebay and it will arrive This week. Thanks to this forum I was able to do some excellent research on a lot of different windshields and this one stood out for me. Thanks for all of the installation tips too! Hope to share/receive interesting info on all SWing topics!

-Dan, Los Angeles

For the Group:::: you guys that think you are perfect, sure are a pain in the ass for those of us who are....

I had a similar sticker on the Biondi screen I bought for my 400 Burgman to the one that's on the Airflow. If this parking out of direct sunlight and lens effect really was a problem, there would be similar stickers on Harleys, the Big Four, BMW, and just about every other tall screened new bike or scooter parked up in your local dealers.


Givi should instead display a warning sticker on their screens saying that unless you're really tall you need to cut 2" to 4" off the top if you want to look over it, not through it.

Another Givi warning is not to put more than 10kg in top boxes and panniers regardless of whether it's 21 litres or 55 litres capacity.

We also know that the Givi instructions for the Airflow screen are so unclear that just about everyone on this forum that installs one looks on here for guidance.

The tall Biondi screen I had on my 400 Burgman was also made in Italy and came with similar vague fitting instructions. The French made Secdem screen I put on my 650 Burgman didn't have any warning sticker. The US made Parabellum touring screen I bought for a BMW GS didn't have one either. The previous Givi screen I bought was for a Yamaha YP 250 Majesty Mk2 in 2004 and I can't remember it having a warning sticker on it. That was a really good windscreen, the stock Majesty screen being almost as bad as the one on the Silver Wing.

Will AF214 Melt/Burn My Silverwing?
Many have raised this issue in this thread. To hopefully shed more light (hah!) on this subject I have done the following:
1. Sent email to GiviUSA.
2. Spoke with GiviUSA.
3. Called Clearview.
4. Researched issue (both Givi and general windshields) on internet.
5. My Conclusions
6. My Recommendations.

1. Sent email to GiviUSA.
Here is the email I sent to GiviUSA:
START of EMAIL
Hello Givi,  There are many satisfied SilverWing owners using the Givi AF214 Airflow windscreen.  And NONE that I have heard which are dissatisfied - which is rare for any product - so good job!  The AF214 came with a sticker that indicates (approximate intent - not exact wording) not to leave your bike in the sun on hot days with the sun shining on the back of the screen or it could be damaged. Could you please elaborate on this statement as it is nearly impossible for scooter owners to comply with this caution under all circumstances.  So I have some questions that hopefully will shed some light (no pun intended) on this cautionary statement:
1. What is the actual damage that could occur? Is it to the screen? If
so which one? to the scooter? If so, which part? Or to something else?
2. Has any AF214 owner ever reported damage? And if so, what were the
circumstances? Country? Local? How many have reported damage?
3. What are the specific meteorological circumstances when this will
occur? Time of day? Ambient temperature? Season? Geographic location?
Angle of sun?
4. Is there a specific part of the screen that can be covered to
prevent damage? And if so, what part? Is there an incident angle at
which the scooter can be parked to reduce or eliminate the potential
for damage? And if so, what angle?
5. What is the exact damage phenomenon that is occurring? Is it
magnification of suns rays? Ambient temperature coupled with direct
sunlight?
6. Is this cautionary label the result of something that actually has
happened? Or could happen - but has not yet? Or theoretically possible
but not yet proven in the real world? Or based on lab tests of some
sort that have not been duplicated in real world situation?

Hoping you can answer the above questions.  Many thanks for making
such a good product.

END OF EMAiL

2. Spoke with GiviUSA.
GiviUSA called the same day. Very prompt - nice. But they did not directly answer any of my questions directly, but they did shed some light on the matter. They advised me that the label was precautionary, that the caution was applicable to windscreens in general (not just Givi, not just the AF214 - it is on all Givi windstreens). They have had no reported problems /failures of Givi windscreens causing damage; however, they have personal knowledge of non-Givi windscreens doing so. I could press for more specific answers - but I am guessing that I am not going to get much further with Givi (maybe someone else wants to give this a go).

3. Called Clearview.
Clearview does not have a 'cautionary' sticker/warning on their wind screens as they have not experienced any problems with melting due to their windscreens. They are aware of some models with some windscreens having this problem - specifically they noted that the optics of the Honda PC800 with stock screen caused burn marks on their dash.

4. Researched issue (both Givi and general windshields) on internet.
I googled a bunch of search terms and found some interesting links. There is a lot of speculation, information, fact, opinion, supposition, knowledge, and experience represented in these links. If you have a great interest in this topic - then by all means look them over - if not jump to my conclusions/recommendations.

Givi + Madsted=melted dash.
http://www.vstrom.info/Smf/index.php?topic=9010.0

Update on Givi Windshield melting dash!
http://www.stromtrooper.com/dl650-specific-wee-strom/22345-update-givi-windsheild-melting-dash.html

Givi D260st Windscreen:
http://www.stromtrooper.com/dl650-specific-wee-strom/53482-givi-d260st-windscreen.html

Link to Windscreen focused sunlight melting plastic?
http://www.pashnit.com/forum/showthread.php?p=262107

Honda RC51 Best looking windscreen:
http://www.fireblades.org/forums/honda-rc51/71284-best-looking-windscreen.html

Link to Goldwind Tall Windshield Burning
http://www.goldwingdocs.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5694

Link to Kawasaki dash melted:
http://www.kawasakiversys.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-13565.html

Another Honda SH150i amongst us!
http://burgmanusa.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=40610&start=25

Clearview windshield coming soon for the honda silverwing
http://autos.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/hondasilverwings/message/9827?o=1&d=-1&var=1&p=2

5. My Conclusions
So here is what I have concluded so far:
a) Windshields (stock or aftermarket) can cause damage (melt/burn) to plastic parts on motorcycles/scooters.
b) Some combinations of bike/windscreen may be more problematic than others.
c) The problem is not widespread across most bike models but there seem to be isolated situations where a combination of model/windscreen can be problematic.
d) There are other phenomena (other than the caution provided by Givi on their windscreens) that can lead too melted plastic on bikes - but these phenomena are not addressed in this post and are likely not relevant to Silverwings.
e) There have been no reported issues of damage to Silverwings by windscreens (any type) - except for the Honda tall (see link above).
f) There have been no reported damage by the AF214 to any SilverWing (as far as I know).
g) There have been reported damage due to Givi windscreens - just not on Silverwings.
h) The potential AF214 cautionary label seems to be reflective - not refractive. The damage potential is from sun shining from the rear of the bike towards the front of the bike and reflecting off the windscreen onto the dash (or some other part).
i) Solutions that others (not necessarily AF214 or Silverwing owners) have used include: large t-shirt (or cover) on windscreen; dash cover; parking angle; film on windshield - not sure that any of these solutions are necessary for the AF214 or that some even work.
j) The cautionary label that Givi puts on their windscreens does not mean that a problem WILL develop with the AF214 - just that a problem could develop - and it is the same label used on their other windscreens. Givi would not admit to any of their windshields causing problem - but the internet forums clearly indicate that Givi windscreens can cause problems with some bikes.

6. My recommendations.
My recommendations are for the AF214 on the Silverwing (not for any other windscreen or bike).
a) Report Damage - If you experience damage please immediately post it. Right now we seem to looking for solutions to a problem that may not exist; however, maybe the problem has not yet manifested itself. Keep an eye on the plastic parts where the reflective power may potentially get focused. If you see damage try to correlate it with how the SWing was parked (angle of parking, date, time, latitude, city, location of damage, etc.). Possibly the 'damage angle' conditions may never manifest themselves - and if so then there is no problem (to worry about or to correct).
b) Observe Focus Spots - When you park your SWing (assuming you don't cover your windscreen like most of us), observe the sun and see if there are any 'bright spots' on the dash/other where the sun's rays may be focused - if you see such a phenomena put your hand down by the bright spot to feel the plastic and to leave a finger there to see if it gets hot. My opinion is that a hot bright spot is the fore-bearer of potential heat damage. You may not be around to see this hot spot - but I believe that it will have occurred if there was any sun damage causing the melting of plastic. If you do see it - please report your findings so others can be alert as to what to look for. Also, note where the sun was and the area on the windscreen that caused the reflection (as likely not opaque non-shiny film on that part of the windscreen would stop/reduce the reflection).
c) Solutions - It seems a bit early to be discussing solutions if there has never been an observed problem/issue/melt. Nevertheless, some others are using screen coverers (large t-shirt?), parking to avoid reflective power of sun, scooter cover. Other bike owners have gone to dashboard covers and placing film on windscreen - but I am not an advocate of this at this time (not until a problem has been identified and a proper solution proposed).

If you got this far - thanks for reading this!

And, as your reward here is something on a lighter note:
A cattle baron in Texas left his cattle ranch to his many sons. Why did the cattle baron name his ranch FOCUS? Hint - triple entendre. Answer in future post.

Great report with a lot of legwork to substantiate your conclusions.

One thing that I found relief in was my false assumption that the windscreen itself could be damaged by the sun's rays.
It seems the only damage could be to your bike from the windscreen acting like a lens and redirecting/multiplying the sun's rays.
Now I don't have to be so anal about how I park my Swing in the May-August period anymore.

Thanks Dimond.

Terry,

Just to be sure..we will need you to ride to the desert in California and leave your SWing in the sun for 2 weeks and see if there is any melting. If there is we will know it is the screen.

If you're bothered about this problem and I'm not, not after being smacked on the head by the top screen coming off. Wouldn't it just be simpler to lower the screen when you park up on really hot days, and also have a quick check to see if the two 10mm nuts are loose while the screen clamps are undone.

Great post, Dimond. Interesting comment re damage being done by sun reflecting not shining through the shield which makes some sense given GIVI's recommendation to park facing the sun. If the problem was caused by sun shining THROUGH, then they would advise to park facing AWAY from the sun.

I installed my shield today. It took me 20 minutes. I immediately took it on the freeway and in town. Totally reduced the buffeting and I think this mod is the best thing a person could do to improve their Silverwing.

Where is the best place to order a Givi Airflow for delivery to Houston, Texas?

Larry - Where did you get the cup holder?

Where is the least expensive place to order the Givi Adjustable w/s?

Best do a search on Google.

Thanks MikeO. I did a Google search & came up with multiple places to buy from online with a wide range of pricing. That's why I was wondering if there was any place that a forum member might recommend. Plus the cheapest place isn't always the best place to buy from either.

question: On the adjustable w/s does it "rake" back farther on the Swing? I have the Givi stationary and like it but I think where it 'flips up' per say, seems to make it to vertical. Can you who have the 214 adjustable give me some input on this?
Old Dave

I can't find where to order the GIVI 214 Adjustable w/s for $215 including shipping. Everything I come up with is $262 plus. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
Old Dave

Thank you Bill. That is a nice presentation on the Adjustable Givi w/s. I thought someone had purchased this w/s for $215 inc shipping. Apparently this was just wishful thinking on my part. I do plan on getting one for my 2005. I now have the regular Givi.
Old Dave

I just bought mine on line from Premier Cycle Accessories for $215.10 + 12.90 UPS ground shipping. Ordered it 12-21-11 and received it the next day. Good Service. BTW, I cannot believe the improvement. I put it on the Swing in 30 minutes, but only rode 20 miles, as it was too cold. This was an excellent choice. Thanks for the excellent review. It sold me and now I'm glad it did. Thanks also for the pictoral on installing the windshield. No, I did not use the metal braces.