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PostSubject: starting silverwing   Sun Jun 06, 2010 1:48 pm

I now have put a 1000 miles on my 2002 silverwing in a month started with 3000 on it noticed i now have to give it a hairs width of throttle to start still getting 50mpg anything to be concern about
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:58 pm

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I now have put a 1000 miles on my 2002 silverwing in a month started with 3000 on it noticed i now have to give it a hairs width of throttle to start still getting 50mpg anything to be concern about


It is not a major concern, I would typically add some Amsoil PI ( http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/api.aspx ) or equivalent fuel injector cleaner ... then I would notice normal start-up and better response.
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:09 pm

Sometimes I have to give just a touch of throttle but I think it is because I messed with the fuel mixture screws. I am going to take it in so they can adjust it with the equipment that is required. But I wouldn't worry about it though. I would take Bill's advice about the cleaner. I do that every few months just in case.
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:59 pm

my 02 sw starts and and idles ok when stone cold but when its get up to operating temp it will not idle and stumbles until about 3000 rpm. going to a different gas station quit using ethanol used fuel system cleaner for 3 tankfulls. put in new plugs old ones black, new now look same after 15 minutes, air cleaner dirty but not that bad ran it without no difference.
any suggestions closest honda dealer one hour away.
4400 miles
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:12 pm

Hi Eldon,

It almost sounds like your Fuel Pressure Regulator might be acting up. Best to test fuel pressure in your FI system. Darn things do not last forever.


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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:13 pm

Check to make certain you are using the correct plugs - by correct I mean the plugs should fall within the correct operating temperature range. Verify that the gap is set properly. Check this thread: http://www.silverwing600.com/maintenance-tips-and-hints-f7/spark-plug-replacement-t105.htm?highlight=plug
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Sat Jun 19, 2010 6:22 pm

the plugs are the same as i took out ngk cr8eh 9 gap is .035
i will try the local motorcycle mechanic he works on a wide variety
have only seen one maxiscoot in the area in past year.
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:10 am

This is gonna sound silly, but change the air filter.

Mine does that when I need to clean it.

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PostSubject: Let Mr Honda Start you scoot   Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:42 pm

When I asked the dealer about starting he said "let Mr. Honda start your Scoot". If the scooter doesn't start there is something wrong. don't give it gas, make sure it in a stating configuration.He say it has been engineered to start without difficulty.
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Mon Jun 21, 2010 5:38 pm

what size fitting do you need to check fuel pressure and if i read correct 43 psi at idle
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:07 pm

Hi Eldon,

43 PSI at idle (1300 rpm) is right on the mark. There is a service check bolt that is removed (carefully) and the fuel pressure gauge gets installed where the bolt is removed. There are alot of cautions when working on high pressure fuel systems.

This is what gets me, the service check bolt is located on the fuel tank and you will need to remove the center cover to access it.
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:11 pm

Hi bigbird,

Some where, there is a picture of a silverwing with all the tupperware removed. I just can't remember where. Darn it...well that's it my memory is going....and fast.
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:20 pm

....or it could be a.... BRAIN FART!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:30 pm

what is involved in removing center cover
or do i shotgun it and have the mechanic replacedthe fuel regular very tight budget
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Mon Jun 21, 2010 10:02 pm

OK, here we go.

1. Remove the seat

2. Remove the lamp/bulb out of the cargo area.

3. Remove maintenance lid.

4. Remove the floor skirts.

5. Remove passengers foot steps.

Then....

6. Remove the screws and washer bolts on the floor boards and remove the floor boards.

That was easy!
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:18 pm

thank you
so if understand the regulator its not working right its dumping to much fuel causing it to flood and not to run smooth until higher rpms
thanks again
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Tue Jun 22, 2010 7:31 am

What Happens is the electric fuel pump causes pressure much higher then 43 psi in front of the PR (Pressure Regulator). The PR lets alot of that un-used pressured fuel to return to the fuel tank.

If your scooters PR is letting to much pressure build up, it will cause to much gas to spray out of the fuel injectors, causing the motor to run to rich.

Testing PR is really a good thing to do on an earlier scooter. It also checks your fuel pump.
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:22 am

I just did a look see on Ebay and guess what I found! Honda Fuel Pressure Gauge 07406-004000A.

This is the gauge that honda uses on the Silverwing also. You will need to bid on it, but don't until it's almost done. It has no bids at this time and is at $5.00 with $9.00 shipping. One hell of a deal if you can score this for $5.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-Fuel-Pressure-Gauge-07406-004000A-/350368557876
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:16 am

DennisB wrote:
I just did a look see on Ebay and guess what I found! Honda Fuel Pressure Gauge 07406-004000A.

This is the gauge that honda uses on the Silverwing also. You will need to bid on it, but don't until it's almost done. It has no bids at this time and is at $5.00 with $9.00 shipping. One hell of a deal if you can score this for $5.00

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-Fuel-Pressure-Gauge-07406-004000A-/350368557876

I cannot find the cost of a new one to compare.
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:30 am

You can always call the Honda Dealership near you. Knowing the price of Original HONDA tools, (est) would be around $45.00-$60.00 Now that is a guess. So go find out if you are really interested.
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:38 am

I just called the dealer here in Tulsa.....And the price is: $74.42 and you need to change the last letter in the Honda part number to "B".

Gee, that darn thing is alot.
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:55 am

just took it to local mechanic withe tupperware off he thinks he got the fitting he will call back lets hope be out of service a week if has to order parts
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:57 am

guess that means no J&P cycle open house this weekend


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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Tue Jun 22, 2010 4:15 pm

48 psi when cold ordered a new regulator should get here by monday
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:34 pm

Eldon wrote:
48 psi when cold ordered a new regulator should get here by monday

Per the Honda Service Manual at 1300 RPM would be 43 PSI.
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Wed Jun 23, 2010 1:38 pm

Well, someone got the Honda Fuel Pressure Gauge 07406-004000A for $5.00 and $9.00 shipping. Who ever did, they got a good deal.
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:16 pm

just got my wing back 100 parts and labor took half the tupperware off myself why it needs so many screws to hold air cleaner on beyond me
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:31 pm

So Eldon....How's is she running?
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Tue Jun 29, 2010 6:45 pm

running great time to put the tupperware back on may get the green foam to replace the air cleaner
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PostSubject: my silver wing will not start or turn over   Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:57 am

My 05 siver wing will not start, battery is fully charged, but nothing comes on not even the egnition...I checked fuses and they are all good.
I hooked up a jumper box backwards for a second, ever since then it will not power up nor start.
Did I burn up alternator/generator? Please help thx Asa
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:18 am

asacascavilla wrote:
I hooked up a jumper box backwards for a second, ever since then it will not power up nor start.

Welcome to the SWing forum.

I thought I remember reading someone doing something like this ... I thought it ended being a relay.

Do you have a Service Manual??
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:22 am

no I am bidding on one of ebay now....where is relay located by fuses and thx for the quick response.
Asa
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Thu Jul 01, 2010 7:48 am

Hi, Did you check the MAIN fuse under the left side cover? This fuse is not with the rest of the fuses. People just keep forgeting about that one.

http://www.silverwing600.com/pictorials-how-to-perform-maintenance-f21/left-rear-cover-removal-pictorial-main-fuse-access-t1010.htm
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PostSubject: I cannot find the fuse   Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:23 am

Is the main fuse by the other fuses or on the other side? I cannot find it do you have a photo you could post/ Thx, Asa
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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:20 am

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PostSubject: Re: starting silverwing   Mon Jul 19, 2010 9:33 am

wow thanks for the step, by step photos! You guys are awesome! Asa
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