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PostSubject: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 17:33

Well, I just finished replacing my Mitshubitsi (?) belt, a Kevlar one, and installed the 21gr Dr Pulley sliders. I took it for a test ride, and I have to say, that I think the 21gr sliders are right there with the J. Costa. I had the 28gr sliders and decided to try the 21gr to see what they are like.

The rpms at highway speed, 70-80 mph indicated, are right where the rpm's were with the stock rollers so this isn't bad. The rpm's under this are about the same as the J. Costa though, which keeps it in a really nice power band. At 80 mph my rpm's were at 6200 and with the 28 gr were at 6,000. I was expecting them to be higher with the 21 gr sliders.

But when I was coming off a ramp to get on the interstate, I was doing about 20 mph, and then I hit it with WOT I thought I was either about to take the front wheel off the ground or have my rear tire about to spin. It was that kind of feeling of power. It was only about a 10 mile ride so I have to get quite a few more miles on it but I really feel this mod, with the 21 gr sliders is equal too or maybe a bit better then the J. Costa. But I want to get more riding time before I compare them in that way. The J. Costa is a great improvement in performance and it is hard to believe that these 21 gr sliders are about equal. So let me get some miles on it and I will give a better comparison.

I will post pics of the new belt and the belt I just took off. I think I could have gone quite a few more miles but I just don't like to chance things. I'm 50 now and I just don't wait until things break or go flat anymore. In my younger years I would be riding on slicks but that was then. I will give a better update after some miles and also post the pics later today.
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 18:54

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Well, I just finished replacing my Mitshubitsi (?) belt, a Kevlar one, and installed the 21gr Dr Pulley sliders. I took it for a test ride, and I have to say, that I think the 21gr sliders are right there with the J. Costa.

The Dr Pulley sliders should last a lot longer than the J Costa pin too!.
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 20:41

ive got a 2008 sw that i purchased new in march of this year, it now has 18500 miles on it. with riding solo or with wife, at 80 mph i tach 60 and i am runnig completely stock except for givi windshield and coocase tail trunk. right now with money an issue, i think ill leave it stock. what change did honda make between 07 and 08?
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 21:19

jimjotel wrote:
what change did honda make between 07 and 08?

O2 sensor added
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 21:42

Shoulda waited instead of rushing into buying a Costa. maybe I'll switch after the pins wear out.
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Sat 02 Jan 2010, 22:43

Jeff

Are you running a Darkside tire?

Did you use Blaster Dry Lube on these new sliders?

It'll be interesting to see if your 'V' light comes on prematurely with this change.

That happened to me when I changed over to 21 gm Sliders, which prompted me to change over to an HiT Clutch to eliminate clutch slip vs increased engine speeds. That eliminated the 'V' light issue. Later I changed to a Sumitomo rear tire which also reduced operating rpm's. Think of the Sumitomo as "Darkside Overdrive".

Where did you get the 21 gm Sliders? Scooter Trap only lists the 28 gm Sliders? The last I heard Dr Pulley stuff had been on back order for a very long time? While I have a few sets of Sliders and light weight Rollers which came with the HiT Clutch Kit, I'm sure that other posters here would appreciate knowing where to get their own.

FWIW I have one set of 26 gm, and one set of 24 gm Dr Pulley Rollers for sale. Brand new, unused, in factory sealed boxes. PM me if interested.

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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Sun 03 Jan 2010, 17:43

Hey Jeff,

I was wondering how it was going with those 21 gram sliders. Wow, that is pretty high praise for something as simple as a $55.00 of sliders to be able to deliver comparable performance to the J. Costa. I'll be looking forward to reports on more extensive testing and RPM's at given speeds compared to stock and 28 grams as well. I hope the weather can warm up soon!
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Sun 03 Jan 2010, 20:18

A friend mentioned that he mixed the 21g and the 28g with great results. I am very pleased with the 28g and will try a set of 21g in the spring...whenever that decideds to get here
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Sun 03 Jan 2010, 22:06

Tim,

I am not running the darkside tire but I may look into it. I have to call up the shops to see if they will fit it for me.

As for the 'dry lube"...yes, I did use that again this time. My V light went off a few times with the J. Costa but it didn't really bother me since I knew that my belt was in good shape. But I'll see if it happens with these sliders. The rpm's really do go up fast when WOT though.

Ron,

The sliders are pretty comparable to the J. Costa in terms of performance. The rpm's seem to be about the same as the Costa when accelerating but the J. Costa ran a couple of hundred rpm's lower at highway speed compared to the sliders.

Masscoot,

I am going to try these 21gr for awhile to get a better idea of what the SWing is like with them. But I can see doing a 50/50 split with the 21gr and 28gr. I went for about a 80 mile ride today..which was a mix of flat surfaces and smaller mountains and it ran great but it was a little bit buzzier than the 28 gr sliders. It may be because of the new belt. I think I remember it being a little bit buzzier when I replaced the last one for a couple of hundred miles.

The SWing was still smooth but not "buttery smooth" like with the 28 gr sliders. But I will probably keep the 21 grams in for a couple of months and then do the 50/50 mix of the sliders. I will say that the few times I got on it, on the interstate, that this thing really goes. I was doing about 60 mph and then gave it WOT and I was up to 90 so fast it was impressive. I'm going to experiment with the different mixes of weights to see what they are like. I just like to experiment and have fun with the SWing. I will even try 6-28 gr and 2-21 gr to see what that is like.

I will give updates everyso often when I keep track of all the rpm's at different speeds.
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Tue 25 May 2010, 20:19

Hi Jeff,
I have been out of sorts for a few weeks as I am recovering from surgery for 5 bypasses. All is well except I cannot drive my car because of the air bag. I'm trying to talk the doctor in letting me drive the Wing since it doesn't have an air bag. So far, he is not buying it.
I helped my friend buy a Wing and he tried to order the 21 gr Dr Pulley sliders. I have a couple of questions:
First, I presume they fit in the original variator?
Second, do you happen to know the Dr Pulley part number for the 21 gr?
Last, Matt at ScooterTrap is not selling them anymore. Do you know another source?
Thanks in advance for any help.
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Wed 26 May 2010, 12:21

DenGraham wrote:
Last, Matt at ScooterTrap is not selling them anymore. Do you know another source?

http://www.unionmaterial.com

Contact button will send mail to unionltd@ms14.hinet.net
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Thu 08 Jul 2010, 18:44

Well, I just finished replacing my Mitshubitsi (?) belt, a Kevlar one, and installed

Whitch belt did you buy? A guy from forum here in portugal,told me that there is one car mitsubishi that mout´s the same belt that SW,is it true?
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Thu 08 Jul 2010, 20:13

armelão wrote:
A guy from forum here in portugal,told me that there is one car mitsubishi that mout´s the same belt that SW,is it true?

I am not aware of an alternate Mitsubishi belt ... though I would be interested if you find more information.
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Thu 08 Jul 2010, 21:13

Where did you get the 21gram sliders .Scooter trap offer 28G but are out of stock .
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Thu 08 Jul 2010, 23:25

Excell wrote:
Where did you get the 21gram sliders .Scooter trap offer 28G but are out of stock .

The new distributor, BuggypartsNW, sells only 28g and 26g. You can email him to see if they still make 21g.
Here's the link:

http://www.buggypartsnw.com/home?page=shop.browse&category_id=32
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Mon 13 Jul 2015, 16:50

Just adding more info:
Here is a link to purchase Dr. Pulley Slider Weight 28x20 for 400/600cc

https://www.buggypartsnw.com/index.php/dr-pulley-slider-weight-28x20-for-600cc.html
Weight options: 21g, 22g, 24g, 26, 28g
SKU (part# for Buggy Parts): UNI-SR-28X20-24g
Price before tax/shipping: $54.95

I just bought the 24g to try and fix low-speed vibration issue, will report back on results after install.

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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Mon 13 Jul 2015, 19:34

I think you will really like the 24g sliders. The 22g are even better... Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Mon 20 Jul 2015, 16:34

Hello: I just changed the belt on my 2005 Silverwing and the v light came on after about 50 smiles. Was wondering if I need to replace the face plates, boss etc. I have 51000 smiles coming up on it now. No, I have not checked the boss for wear yet or the plates. I have had the 26 g Dr Pulley sliders in it for about 40,000 smiles. How long do they last? Does anyone have a new set of 2 g Dr Pulley sliders for sale?
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Mon 20 Jul 2015, 16:36

That should read 24 g Dr Sliders for sale? Also if not what vender has them now?
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Mon 20 Jul 2015, 16:44

DaveR, if you end up buying them from vender:

Here is a link to purchase Dr. Pulley Slider Weight 28x20 for 400/600cc

https://www.buggypartsnw.com/index.php/dr-pulley-slider-weight-28x20-for-600cc.html
Weight options: 21g, 22g, 24g, 26, 28g
SKU (part# for Buggy Parts): UNI-SR-28X20-24g
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Mon 20 Jul 2015, 19:27

DaveR wrote:
Hello: I just changed the belt on my 2005 Silverwing and the v light came on after about 50 smiles.  Was wondering if I need to replace the face plates, boss etc.  I have 51000 smiles coming up on it now. No, I have not checked the boss for wear yet or the plates.  I have had the 26 g Dr Pulley sliders in it for about 40,000 smiles.  How long do they last?  Does anyone have a new set of 2 g Dr Pulley sliders for sale?  

I've had my Dr Pulley Sliders in for over 70,000 miles and they show no signs of wear. I measured them with a micrometer and they are still at factory spec.

It could be that you may have been a little too aggressive accelerating with your new Sliders and that triggered the "V" light. If the RPMs exceed the rear wheel speed too much the ECM "sees" that as a worn belt (too much slip) and turns on the light. But as long as you know you installed the belt correctly (arrows facing forward) and there was nothing obviously wrong with the pulley surfaces and you torqued the bolt to ~75 lb-ft, then reset the light and relax and enjoy the ride.

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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Mon 20 Jul 2015, 21:56

I know the belt was installed with the arrows going in the right direction and was torqued to 78 lb ft. I have had the Dr Pulley sliders for the last couple of belt changes. They are 26 g sliders and I would like to have 24 g sliders to see how they work. How can you tell when the cv plates need to be changed? I have the manual and do not see specs on it. I did order a new "boss" and plates. I think it is like you said, maybe just maybe I was too aggressive accelerating with the new belt I installed and it triggered the light to come on. I reset it and so far, it has not come back on. I do like the Dr Pulley sliders but do get a light rattle from some place down their. . .
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Tue 21 Jul 2015, 07:18

I had to replace my driven pulley when a grove set in that made the V light come on constantly. All went away after replacing the drive pulley.
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Tue 21 Jul 2015, 09:29

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MU:P I had to replace my driven pulley when a grove set in that made the V light come on constantly. All went away after replacing the drive pulley.

You seem to be contradicting yourself. You replaced the Driven Pulley but the problem was resolved, "after replacing the Drive Pulley"?

Aside from which pulley it was, which half of the pulley did you replace? Or did you replace the entire pulley as an assembly complete with bearings in the Driven Pulley, or as individual pulley sheaves for the Drive Pulley?

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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Tue 21 Jul 2015, 10:10

Sorry bad choice of words,(age thing) LOL.  want to say the drive  pulley .The inner and outer. cost about $ 200.00 for the set. Now have 50 k kl on the new replacement.
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Thu 30 Jul 2015, 13:12

SmoothSailing wrote:
Just adding more info:

I just bought the 24g to try and fix low-speed vibration issue, will report back on results after install.


Fixed the vibration issue! Vibration was pretty bad at start-from-a-stop. Feels great now, and quicker pick up. Thanks to everyone on this forum for the suggestion!
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Thu 30 Jul 2015, 16:39

I replaced my drive belt cost about 150 dollars. After I replaced it, the V light came on again so re-set the light ordered the two front drive pulleys and Boss. The V light never came back on so returned the pulleys and boss. So far so good! I have 52000 smiles on this 2005.
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Fri 31 Jul 2015, 23:16

Spoke to soon! Took the parts back and sure enough the V light came back on. Will check in the morning to see if they shipped the parts back yet or still have them.
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Fri 31 Jul 2015, 23:18

DaveR wrote:
Spoke to soon!  Took the parts back and sure enough the V light came back on. Will check in the morning to see if they shipped the parts back yet or still have them.


Murphy's Law strikes again. frustrated
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Sat 01 Aug 2015, 23:06

Yea, but I did get the parts back and put them in this afternoon. Seems O.K. now.
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Sun 02 Aug 2015, 11:51

I do hope that changing those parts resolves the issue. If so then I'm very curious about what the wear pattern or defects in those parts looks like.

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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Sun 02 Aug 2015, 13:33

Guess I will find out. I could not see any real wear to the parts I replaced however after 52000 smiles, there has to be some. Tried to check old parts according to the shop manual so will see. Parts were $151. It does seem to be a little quieter but proof is in the pudding.
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Mon 03 Aug 2015, 06:29

My V light came on this weekend as I hit 24000klm on my 05. Was on a ride into the U.S.
Stopped at a Harley/Honda dealer to take a break and look at the new rides. Priced a drive belt just for kicks- $150US.....ouch! That's almost $200CDN. I guess the light will be on for a while Smile .
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PostSubject: Re: Just changed the belt and installed new 21gr Dr Pulley sliders !!!   Tue 04 Aug 2015, 23:46

Well, I have ridden a little over 100 smiles since I changed out the drive "Boss" and complete pulley assembly. I did not change out the sliders guess they wear for a long time. Anyway "no" V light so far!
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