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GoonerKev
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PostSubject: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 23, 2019 6:08 pm

I have a 2012 (ABS) Swing and going to do my first service on it, I have had new Brake pads & Disc's fitted, i also put in two new Iradium Plugs. What else is recommended (apart from Oil change) please.

Kev
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 23, 2019 9:09 pm

Maybe check the air filter and radiator fluid level. Tire pressure is a given.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 23, 2019 9:10 pm

A lot depends on the miles/kilometers that you have on it. I would change the final drive oil, it is easy, see the pictorial on this forum. If over 16K miles drive belt should be changed.

Check air filter and clean or replace.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 23, 2019 9:53 pm

Brake fluid should be changed every 2 years. Diff. 1 year. Coolant 2-3 . Belt at 6 or 16K AGE
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 24, 2019 4:24 am

Make sure you clean the filter that covers the variator,often forgotten at servicing. I clean it with white spirit.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 24, 2019 5:22 am

Thanks guy's for all your advice, I forgot to add that I have a Air Filter on order.
Having trouble sourcing DR PULLEY Sliders form the UK, seem like gold dust !!

Kev
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 24, 2019 10:01 am

For Dr Pulley sliders just put it in a search engine, I got mine from Germany ,but, I don't think they are agents any longer. DrPulley sliders do make a noticeable difference in acceleration. .
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 24, 2019 10:07 am

Think this is the right one to order, been looking all afternoon, going for the 28x20x26g.
Yes it is from Germany.

https://drpulley.shopnix.de/Dr-Pulley-SR-TechPulley-FR-sliding-rolls/Size-28x20mm-8x/Dr-Pulley-Sliding-roll-SR2820/8-26::572.html
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 24, 2019 1:58 pm

You might also like to change the final drive oil, it uses same oil as the engine. It is straight forward, drain plug and filler opening/ level plug.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 24, 2019 2:13 pm

Thanks for that Old Limey, I have seen some vids on how to do the Final drive & Engine oil plus Oil filter change, seems straight forward, much like my Vespa PX really (apart from Oil filter).

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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 25, 2019 5:14 am

Kev its a good idea to check the front wheel bearings and make up a mudguard to fit to the bottom of the std one this stops crud being thrown up into the rad
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 25, 2019 5:26 am

Siataukreg
Yep had them all checked 2 weeks ago when I bought the bike, they put on new disc's F&B, new Pads F&B, checked bearings as well, so happy with that. Made a mud flap last week with 1/4" Rubber matting, and gorrila glued it to inside of mudguard. Oil & Filter ordered and picking up today, also looking at Dr. Rollers but in no hurry for those yet, Givi Airflow screen being delivered Monday, so going to be busy!!!
Oh I forgot, i'm now retired Laughing Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 25, 2019 6:14 am

Remember to use a six sided socket (24mm) on the sump plug bud, they are very soft cast aluminium & 12 point is VERY likely to round off the corners (he said knowingly)

Embarassed https://www.silverwing600.com/t10594-engine-drain-bolt Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 25, 2019 6:19 am

Thanks for the heads up on that, got a 6 sider in the workshop, Oooops you been there then ! Sad
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 25, 2019 6:21 am

Yep, just added a link to previous post bud, contains a tip that may help if your plug is a bit tight Wink

Also in case you're not already aware, there's a spring & metal strainer behind the sump plug, which will most likely fall into the oil drain can & need retrieving Embarassed


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GoonerKev
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 25, 2019 6:27 am

Brilliant tip, I like that idea of the Jack if it's a bugger Wink
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 25, 2019 8:47 am

I only use a 6 point on mine also but bought a spare just in case. You never know.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 25, 2019 9:23 am

Dale N. wrote:
I only use a 6 point on mine also but bought a spare just in case. You never know.

Indeed Dale, my error was not ensuring the socket (yes it was 6 point) was seated squarely on the nut, deffo a case of more haste, less speed Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 26, 2019 4:28 am

Regarding the drain plug, I found a 15/16 AF socket also fits.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 26, 2019 4:37 am

That's useful to know then, thank you Wink
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 27, 2019 4:07 am

As you are in the UK you do not need half of the stuff mentioned, maybe they do in the USA , but ,both Meldrew and I have had Silver wings for over ten years. Meldrew has taken his Silver wing over to mainland Europe on a yearly basis and covered many miles.I ride almost daily and average ten thousand miles a year. I fitted an Airflow screen, Dr Pulley sliders, and made the "Butt rest" into a backrest. You do not need springs, covers or whistles and bells. Just enjoy the bike for what it is. Service it as required, clean it when needed but most importantly ride it!
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 27, 2019 12:49 pm

Old Limey & Oldwingguy

Both comments taken on board and noted thank you, I hav just come back from a trip to Brighton with my mates, one on a swing and other 2 on Scomadi TL200's (like my other scooter) the swing was just perfect to ride in that aftermath of "Storm Hannah" the Swing was steady and my mates on the scomadi's were blown about a bit............I made the right choice in taking the Swing, loved it Wink
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28, 2019 5:38 pm

Meldrew
I don't intend to put many things on my Swing, just a new Givi AF214 screen that's coming tomorrow. Ordered new rollers and Genuine Honda Belt, Got my oil & Filter ready bought and new plugs put in. I always like to do these thing whenever I buy a car/scooter/bike, so I know it's been done, definitely not bothered with radio, Sat Nav or any other gadget on the scooter. I want to concentrate on the road and 20 years in the Fire Service, I have seen a lot of horrible sights due to lack of road awareness.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28, 2019 5:57 pm

"The rest of it is like I've said on here many times, old men with too much time and money on their hands 'farkling' for the sake of it."

I will always side with the argument that it's his money, and bike, and he can whatever he damn well likes with it. Set it on fire in the backyard for all I care.

That said, I agree with simplicity. It's hard to argue against a bike that remained largely unchanged for a dozen years. Especially given its worldwide reputation for reliability. That's why I sold my Burgman 650 luxury liner (eventual CVT failure kept me up at night), and have resisted that growling temptress, the BMW 650 GT.

I appreciate smart technology -- would love for Honda to update the Wing or provide a replacement in the U.S. -- especially if it includes a Smart Key, tire pressure readout and a screen with GPS. For now, I trade those features for a comment I've heard a dozen times when people admire my bike: "Oh, a Honda. They always start right up."
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28, 2019 7:22 pm

I prefer to spend my money on gas: our prices are going thru the roof (oops) this year.

Jay.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28, 2019 7:43 pm

I find it pretty easy to argue about maxi scooters that were the dogs doodahs when they came out around 2000. It's now 2019 and the Silver Wing and that overweight lump the 650 Burgman have now had their day.

I doubt if Honda is going to bring out a replacement for the Silver Wing, because they dropped it in favour of the Integra.  Smaller, lighter, and better equipped maxi scooters like the new 300 Forza are the way to go.

They have features like  Smart Key, HSTC, full LED lights, electric screen, and multi mode dash display in a sportier package that weighs almost 100kg less than the lardass lump the 650 Burgman that I believe now has been discontinued.

It also has a very comfortable seat and no backrest, so there's no messing about modding them, the Airhawk can stay on the shelf, and you'd be wasting money on an unnecessary custom seat.

Now whether they'll import it to the US is anyones's guess, but they really don't need to as they're already selling shed loads of them and it's smaller 125cc brother in Europe and the Far East.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28, 2019 8:50 pm

I agree with Meldrew---SilverWing is old design, in US they now have little used value, Honda probably still has leftover 2013's. Had 2 new SilverWings, never felt they needed any mods/extras other than Givi Adjustable Windshield, Givi rack and some sort of box-----worked for me for over 90,000 miles.

Current US market, no new big scooters, I am getting older, need lighter scooter bike....Honda has nothing to offer (scooter) in this market----Sold my Honda CB300F(no more bikes with no centerstand or open chain)---bought Kymco X-Town 300i ABS 2019 model---with military discount, all taxes paid, about $4800 out the door with license. As I ride the value out of my bikes, I make few changes---X-Town only needed windshield/air management solution---now Puig Touring screen, cut down 4 inches (for look over), bolted on Laminar Lip, rear rack not needed...$40 Bestem box bolted directly to rear wing-----Riding fine, performance ok, so far nothing broke @ 3500 miles. Really no other equipment needed. Time on your hands----take a trip!
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28, 2019 8:54 pm

I've never ridden a 300cc scooter. I've sat on them and they feel small. In South Florida, the roads are swarming with 50's, 125's, etc. They're hazards, barely able to keep up with traffic on a 35 mph road.

I like the power to stay as far from cars as I can. I like big storage, a tall screen, double glove boxes and a power socket. I like the automatic transmission that lets me react faster. No more sudden stops on a geared bike where instead of reacting instantly, you first have to process, "Oh ****, what GEAR should I be in?"

I believe there is a HUGE market in the U.S. for mega-scooters. What's missing is the marketing. The buying public needs to be re-educated about what's cool (automatic/faster reaction, storage for grocery runs, etc.).

The American motorcyclist was raised on images of Brando and James Dean and Hell's Angels. It's all about freedom and rugged individualism. I see rich, suburban cowboys riding $35,000 behemoths every time I ride along the ocean. Add a little bubble on top and they're a small car. That's not motorcycling. That's posing. But hey, they're forking out a lot of money to pose, so the companies will keep building those bikes.

I keep hoping to find the replacement for my Wing. I look at the new BMW 400 with Smart Key technology but the storage is small and the seating is cramped. I look at Honda's DVT bikes and there's no storage or footboards. I sat on a 2019 Burgman 400 last week -- that was the most tempting of the lot. I hope one of the big MC companies delivers a suitable replacement before my Wing reaches its last run.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 29, 2019 1:32 am

Meldrew wrote:
I doubt if Honda is going to bring out a replacement for the Silver Wing, because they dropped it in favour of the Integra.  Smaller, lighter, and better equipped maxi scooters like the new 300 Forza are the way to go.

They have features like  Smart Key, HSTC, full LED lights, electric screen, and multi mode dash display in a sportier package that weighs almost 100kg less than the lardass lump the 650 Burgman that I believe now has been discontinued.

It also has a very comfortable seat and no backrest, so there's no messing about modding them, the Airhawk can stay on the shelf, and you'd be wasting money on an unnecessary custom seat.

Now whether they'll import it to the US is anyones's guess, but they really don't need to as they're already selling shed loads of them and it's smaller 125cc brother in Europe and the Far East.


A Firefighter from work who rides a massive Ducati superbike also bought a Forza 300 and absolutely loves it, and pretty pokey too as it is light, I was amazed on the many "Useful" extras on it, I also own a Honda PCX plus my Scomadi & Vespa PX 180, all have there own character and style so it's nice to choose which one to take out and for what reason.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 30, 2019 5:53 am

Friends,
Just remember that the driver-less automobile is having a hard time seeing us bikers. Especially if you are not riding in the middle of the lane. And that is my biggest fear now. I believe that the automotive industry is rushing these autos to capture the market.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 30, 2019 9:02 am

The hijacked "Fork leg protectors (Gaiters)" posts have been moved to its own topic in Accessories and Modifications.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 30, 2019 9:45 am

Easyrider wrote:
Friends,
Just remember that the driver-less automobile is having a hard time seeing us bikers. Especially if you are not riding in the middle of the lane. And that is my biggest fear now. I believe that the automotive industry is rushing these autos to capture the market.

I think us bikers (well me!)are having a harder time seeing driverless cars. I've never seen anything that resembles a self-driving, robot, or autonomous car on the roads of our fair and sceptred isle.

Can't say I've passed a car dealership selling them, and I ride past a fair few of them on a daily basis. Then again I go past charging stations for electric cars and I rarely if ever see a car coupled up to one recharging. Or for that matter a car converted to LPG refilling at a gas/petrol station that offers LPG.

All I know is our government spouting on the evils of diesel, car manufacturers stopping production of conventional vehicles in favour of electric ones, and how we'll all be driving electric vehicles in the next 20 years or so.

Which is all bollocks because we may have a problem generating enough electricity here in the future. They're closing coal fired power stations, not replacing first and second generation nuclear power stations fast enough, or not at all, and two major nuclear projects have recently been cancelled.


The NIMBY mindset opposes all or any wind, solar, or nuclear generating options that might affect their property prices, and we're getting ever more dependent on energy from countries that would pull the plug in any future conflicts.

So the way things are going, the only driverless cars I'm likely to see are if I watch a rerun of Blade Runner.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 30, 2019 1:51 pm

Laughing Laughing Laughing Spot on Meldrew
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeTue Apr 30, 2019 2:50 pm

Here in Hawaii, electric vehicles get free parking, free use of charge stations, approved to ride in the express lanes. The charge stations are almost always completely being used. We have so much electric vehicles here in Hawaii that the state government is proposing changing the road tax to miles driven and remove the road tax from the price per gallon. To many electric vehicles get to use the highways for free.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeWed May 01, 2019 8:31 am

Easyrider o-HI-o has started a program for both electrics and hybrid vehicles, you pay a flat fee when you renew your licence plates or buy a new vehicle, I don't know how that will balance out with the tax on fuel purchases.
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PostSubject: Re: My first Service   My first Service I_icon_minitimeThu May 02, 2019 11:13 am

Engine Oil & Final Drive Oil replaced, Oil filter replaced (3 more boxes ticked). Going to fit new air Filter tomorrow.
Have the Honda belt ready but waiting for Dr Rollers to arrive then do at the same time. Took it for a nice ride, a lot smoother now Wink
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