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PostSubject: what tyres?   Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:06 am

Just bought my 3k mile 2007 SW to replace my BMW GS1200 bike. Bike is wearing some Bridgestone tyres that have some life left.

However, in the wet they are horrible. Bike is very unstable and slidy. On the front especially when I approach with GS style vigour, it is almost lowsiding constantly. I reckon its only a matter of days before I actually lose the front properly and lowside the bike.

I think there are 2 issues here: I find it hard to believe the SW is that much worse that the GS in corners (I have owned a 125cc Vespa for years and it was better than my SW currently), so I think it must be the tyres.

What are the choices? Presumably all the big manufacturers make a tyre for it?
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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:18 pm

Actually the choices are not so many - You folks accross the pond have a few more choices than we do, but a good place for us in the states to shop from and a good place to do some research is: http://tinyurl.com/yj2eval
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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Sun Dec 06, 2009 1:31 pm

theop wrote:
Just bought my 3k mile 2007 SW to replace my BMW GS1200 bike. Bike is wearing some Bridgestone tyres that have some life left.

However, in the wet they are horrible. Bike is very unstable and slidy. On the front especially when I approach with GS style vigour, it is almost lowsiding constantly. I reckon its only a matter of days before I actually lose the front properly and lowside the bike.

I think there are 2 issues here: I find it hard to believe the SW is that much worse that the GS in corners (I have owned a 125cc Vespa for years and it was better than my SW currently), so I think it must be the tyres.

What are the choices? Presumably all the big manufacturers make a tyre for it?


I have never tried them but the Pirelli Diablos have been reported to have good wet gripping.

The Bridgestones are not fantastic cornering when wet ... the IRCs have been reported to be even worse.

My next front tire (waiting in my garage) is a rear Michelin Gold Standard.

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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:00 pm

From my research online and magazines the Pirellei Diablos seem to be rated highly, especially by the owners, and I've also read that the metzeler feelfree tyres are good.

Besides the bridgestones, which I agree as a set front and rear they handle horrible, I have tried the Michelin pilot sports front and rear, which are much better than the Bridgestones, but only two thirds the life on the rear tyre....

At the moment I am running a michelin pilot sport on the front and a bridgestone on the back, and wow...... best combination yet, even better than the michelins front and rear.... The handling is transformed, and the S'wing now corners much easier/quicker and drops into a corner with confidence and with just a little counter pressure on the handlebars.... At first it felt almost too quick, but once I got used to it, it felt great.

So if your bridgestones have some decent life left, I would recommend that you replace the front with something other than bridgestone and keep the harder wearing bridgestone on the rear. I can definitely recommend a Michelin pilot sport on the front in that configuration...
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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Sun Dec 06, 2009 4:43 pm

I ll try that Bernando, tks v much....
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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Mon Dec 07, 2009 9:05 am

Thanks for all your comments on tyres, I too have experienced handling problem with the factory fitted Bridgestones. I may well try the Michelin Pilot front, Hoop rear combo.

At first I thought it was me on a new bike in the wet. But after nearly 2000 miles my confidence has not advanced much farther.

My Burgman sported Hoops all round and I had ultimate confidence in their abilities to grip the road in all conditions.
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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:05 pm

This is "Old Dave" in Western Nebraska....
I have a set of "Pirelli Diablos" on my 2005 Silverwing. I now have about
fifteen hundred miles on them and they are a good over all replacement. I
went up on the Scottsbluff Nat'l Monument the other day and hit a patch of
water and frozen ice. I was very surprised as they held very well. I don't know
if other tires would have made a difference but that was my experience with
the "Pirelli Diablos."
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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Mon Dec 07, 2009 3:26 pm

I have the Diablos, i bought my scoot used so all I can say is the new Diablo is a whole lot better than a worn down hoop. I never had the hoops when they were new and i only have a 1,000 miles on the diablos but it has been a world of difference. Theyre both stickier and quieter than the hoops were, Im taking freeway turnoffs at about 20 mph faster than before.
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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Tue Dec 08, 2009 12:28 am

theop wrote:
I ll try that Bernando, tks v much....


Glad to help

On a final note my last bike (recently sold) I had Maxxis tyres fitted before selling her on, and they where also very good, especially the price!! They were certainly as good as any of the other more expensive tyres such as Michelin, Metzeler, Bridgestone, Pirelli, etc However I only recently discovered Maxxis, so have not tried them on the S'wing, though am not sure if they make them in the right size....

I currently have a Yamaha Fazer with Pirelli Diablos, and they are awesome.

Anyway good luck with your choice, and ley us know how you get on...

Best wishes

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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:06 pm

getting a Michelin Pilot sport front only as per Bernando's idea fitted tomorrow. Will keep you posted...
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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Wed Dec 09, 2009 3:33 am

theop wrote:
getting a Michelin Pilot sport front only as per Bernando's idea fitted tomorrow. Will keep you posted...


Excellent! How do you find it? At the risk of teaching u to suck eggs, please remember to go easy for the first 50 miles or so till the tyre is worn in and is gripping properly.... Have fun!
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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:33 pm

Hello THEOP,
just joined the forum and found your post - could almost have written it myself! I've just changed from 11 years with an R1100GS. Find the same unsure feeling with the SWing. First noticed it in the wet, I've had front wheel slide out and both wheels slide out on occasions. This in situations where the GS would have just run through with confidence. I've ridden a friend's Burgman 650 with Bridgestones and that feels much more "planted" and secure, so I'm wondering if it's also to do with weight distribution. The Burgman's engine is much further forward (and the bike weighs 50Kg more as well). Anyway, I've found the comments here useful and I'll decide when the time comes to change tyres. Meantime, I'll have to tone down my expectations on the wintry Pennine roads here.
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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:45 am

If available in your country try these http://tinyurl.com/6k7adfd

In my opinion its the best choice for the SW, but sometimes it produces a light shimmy at the scooter. These tyres are also available in wintec type.

RJ


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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Wed Mar 02, 2011 6:57 am

i experienced Hoops bridgestone, michelin gold standard and pilotsport sc, metzeller feel free on the sw and maxxis on my first scoot.

what i think
MTZ FF > pilotsport sc >> michelin goldstandard > hoops >> maxxis

wintec type for metzeller does not exist in France (grrrr...)

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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:50 am

Boudioue wrote:

wintec type for metzeller does not exist in France (grrrr...)


It does not exist? I thought they developed this tire for countries like italy and france...

But i think it should be no problem to order the tires from germany? As i know, tires in germany much cheaper than in france. I had some colleges that are working in Paris (Airport Orly, do you know the purple Aircrafts? Wink) and they are changing all the tires in germany because they costs only the half in germany...

If you want some of the wintecs, i think i can help you with the german online shops Wink
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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:00 am

The french version of www.reifendirekt.de have the Feelfree Wintecs and they are only ~7€ more than in germany.
Take a look at www.123pneus.com
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PostSubject: Re: what tyres?   Sun Mar 06, 2011 5:16 am

Great, Thanks !

I think next I'll put Pilotsport sc or pirelli Diablo and for next winter I'll try your idea !
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