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PostSubject: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:13 am

Hello. Long-time lover of the site, former Helix rider and hoping to get a SW in the not-to-distant future. I keep coming back to one dilemma however....

IF O2 sensors were first installed in '08 models, why is MPG soooo much better on the 2010-2013 models than 2009 and older?

Not that there's an overabundance of data, but from what fuelly.com displays, why would one purchase older than 2010?
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:17 am

I would buy as new as possible. MPG, based on 2 new 2009 and 2013, for me average 55 mpg, based on throttle hand. Even riding a lot, gas is your least expense---my case drive belts.
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:17 am

It has been stated over and over again that scoots pre 2008 get worse fuel mileage than newer ones. My 2012 does well for me, sometimes getting over 60 MPG, range is low 50's to high 50's normally. To be honest I try and watch my speed and usually avoid freeways and hit smaller 2 lanes as they are more fun and much more beautiful in most cases. The CVT works well but they are not the most efficient for fuel, a DCT or such will do better. That said however, if you only drive a few miles a year who cares? If you find a clean 2004-2007 at a good price, grab it unless you REALLY roll on the miles in a year.
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:29 am

I have an 08 SWing and got around 50 mpg with it, give or take. Now that I've had it converted to a trike the mileage will go down somewhat. I really don't care because it gets a lot better mileage than my 99 Silverado pickup. Not to mention the "fun factor" of being on a SWing.
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sat Mar 17, 2018 4:04 pm

Can't help thinking a large barrel of fuel with a 2" hole in the bottom would use less fuel than a typical American pickup! Laughing

On mine, I'm still enjoying the novelty of riding a big scooter, so it's wide open throttle acceleration whenever possible, and cruising at 75-85mph depending. With 22g Dr Pulleys it's particularly fun! So for me, I tend to burn fuel at about 52mpg, but that's with a UK 4.54L gallon, not the US gallon (whatever that is).

If I want to go slow and save fuel I'll take the 125 3-wheeler, which gets 80mpg (4.54L) at 60mph.
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sat Mar 17, 2018 7:15 pm

US gallon=3.78 liters I think
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:43 pm

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Can't help thinking a large barrel of fuel with a 2" hole in the bottom would use less fuel than a typical American pickup! Laughing

That is true. My 99 gets about 12-14 mpg on the highway. It has 241,000 miles on it and still runs great and starts at -20 degrees. It also doesn't use any oil yet, the tranny doesn't slip and the 4 wheel drive works great too. Plus, it's paid for.
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:10 am

Mr Grinsel is right onto it,

(I would buy as new as possible. MPG, based on 2 new 2009 and 2013, for me average 55 mpg, based on throttle hand. Even riding a lot, gas is your least expense).

Just did a 1200 k trip (750 miles) at roughly 4800 to 5000 rpm at an average of roughly 100 to 110 kph on my 2009 fjs600 D9 fitted with 5000 miles old Hoops.

Average 23.5 ks per litre or 66.4 Imperial MPg or 55.5 US MPg. That is an Urban/Rural mix, (not much urban)

Cant really complain about that. (Much better than my previous old PC800 !!)
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:48 pm

I bought an '06 specifically because it did not have a O2 sensor... Fuel economy on the scoot' is irrelevant to me as it is much better than eithrr of my other vehicle; an '09 Tacoma Prerunner and a '98 SL500--both of which barely make 20 mpg...
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:35 pm

I have a year old 2013 from factory crate. It has the O2 sensor and I average in the low 60s. Dealer said the O2 was phased in between 2011 and 2013. i'm a two-lane non lead-foot rider and, love my Swing.
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:34 pm

I am just returned from a 4000K interstate trip. Taking into consideration hilly terrain, overtaking, en-route road works, cross/head winds and a lot of A - B transits at 110KPH ( = 5100 - 5200RPM ) etc., etc, the consumption was consistently in the 20 - 22Ks/litre range. My '07 model has an O2 sensor.
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:27 pm

Bairdb wrote:
< snip >Dealer said the O2 was phased in between 2011 and 2013. < snip >
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Odd statement considering that the part #'s for both the PGM-FI (ECU) and the O2 sensor are the same for all Silverwings from 2009 thru 2013.

Perhaps your dealer is one of those plaid-suited, pinky-ringed paragons of credibility?
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:49 pm

THe '02 to '13 FSM I have shows the O2 sensor as an '"After '07" thing:

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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:38 pm

Thanks all. Basically what I gather is...yes newer is better. But, if you can't do "newer" do no later than '09 (if one prefers higher MPG). Again, thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:39 pm

cliffyk wrote:
THe '02 to '13 FSM I have shows the O2 sensor as an '"After '07" thing.

You are correct, Cliff. The FSM does state that. But is seems that those 2007 models may be in a gray area. 

Partzilla.com's Honda parts list for the 2007 model illustrates the O2 sensor but doesn't give a part # for that item. While the part # for the ECU says that it applies to '02 thru '07 models.

The parts list for the 2008 model shows those items as applying to 2008 thru 2013 model.

Who knew?

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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:10 pm

Cosmic_Jumper wrote:
cliffyk wrote:
THe '02 to '13 FSM I have shows the O2 sensor as an '"After '07" thing.

You are correct, Cliff. The FSM does state that. But is seems that those 2007 models may be in a gray area. 

Partzilla.com's Honda parts list for the 2007 model illustrates the O2 sensor but doesn't give a part # for that item. While the part # for the ECU says that it applies to '02 thru '07 models.

The parts list for the 2008 model shows those items as applying to 2008 thru 2013 model.

Who knew?

Tim

It is not unusual for makers to incorporate changes late in a given model year's production cycle as supplies of earlier parts, such as motor assemblies, run low/out...
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:05 pm

With my '09 swing I used to get about 55mpg. I'm not sure what my '13 will get. I just picked her up in November and I have less then 250 miles on her. I got it brand new at a dealer. I've filled up a couple of times but with just starting it during the winter and short little rides my gas millage has been really bad. I'm hoping to get at least what I used too with the 09.

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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:25 pm

katschamne wrote:
With my '09 swing I used to get about 55mpg. I'm not sure what my '13 will get. I just picked her up in November and I have less then 250 miles on her. I got it brand new at a dealer. I've filled up a couple of times but with just starting it  during the winter and short little rides my gas millage has been really bad. I'm hoping to get at least what I used too with the 09.

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I'm just guessing here but it might have to break in and loosen up before you start getting better mileage. From what I've found it takes some miles before everything loosens up and settles in. I had a brand new 77 Yamaha RD-400 and the first few tank fulls were pretty bad but after about 1,000 miles or so it got better.
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:40 pm

I getr a consistent 48 mpg on my performance modified '06 (four 26 g and four four 28 G sliders, and a spacer beneath the torque multiplier spring to increases its preload)-and a pretty "heavy" right hand.

Riding is 80% rural at 70 to 75/80 mph; 20% suburban at 40 to 55 mph... Gas is cheap here, $2.50 US/gallon som 0.39 £ / L for those on t'other side of the pond...
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Tue Mar 20, 2018 12:51 pm

I figured it will take a while before I start seeing better gas millage. My '09 was used with 2126 miles on it when I purchased it. I was disappointed that it was totalled last year. I had just over 22126 miles on it. In 2 years. I loved the color. Not a fan of the Black...oh well it's brand new with a warranty. I know the gas mileage also improved on my new PCX 150 after I did the first service on it.

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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Tue Mar 20, 2018 5:18 pm

Regarding O2 sensors, my UK bike was registered in Sept 2007, and has an O2 sensor.

And regarding my fuel economy (or lack of, due to lead-wrist syndrome), I should add that my bike is barely broken in, with about 4,000 on the clocks!
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PostSubject: Re: Best MPG on Silverwing   Tue Mar 20, 2018 8:57 pm

gavinfdavies wrote:
Regarding O2 sensors, my UK bike was registered in Sept 2007, and has an O2 sensor.

And regarding my fuel economy (or lack of, due to lead-wrist syndrome), I should add that my bike is barely broken in, with about 4,000 on the clocks!

But is your bike a 2007 or 2008. New model stuff comes out in fall of every year. Could be 2008?
Sometimes manufactures make changes mid-year. Sticker up under right side with the VIN and year.
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