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PostSubject: Brake pads   Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:52 pm

I often check ebay for some of my motorcycling needs. I was just looking at Silverwing brake pads. I found single pairs for just under $6 all the way up to $60 for a pair (single axle). I have heard the old saying "you get what you pay for" and I realize that brakes are supremely important and that our lives depend on them. I would appreciate your thoughts and advice. What do you use?
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:30 pm

OEM have worked well for me.
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:24 pm

Stick with OEM or a reputable brand bud, don't know about yourside of the pond but over here there have been instances of clones that delaminate.
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PostSubject: Brakes   Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:16 pm

Thank both of you for your advice..........after all Honda built the bike so from your educated advice I will stick with Honda brake pads. You are appreciated.
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:50 am

Just my input but i don't think that i have ever have purchased a genuine part for any of my bikes or scooters that i can remember other than a drive belt for the s/wing. I have had parts from Ebay, local independent retailers. M&P and Wemoto and brake pads from EBC direct, oil filters from whoever usually looking on price and quick delivery or in stock. wheel bearings and seals from a local bearing company and i have never had a problem with anything fail or a brake pad delaminate.
Generally i refuse to pay dealer OEM prices but that's the individuals choice. I am not by any chance tight fisted and if an replacement part is not available i would not hesitate to purchase from a main dealer but up to now i have not had any problems with anything purchased over the years. Pud.
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:18 am

vmaximus wrote:
brake pads from EBC direct,

That's the trick bud, buying reputable brand from the maker, it was clone EBC's from some eblag sites that were failing
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:28 am

The only other comment is when deviating from stock OEM is to make sure the pad compound (hardness ) matches the OEM. I've used EBC on my G'Wings with no problems but some haven't, rotor hardness and pad hardness combinations are important.
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:24 am

I found that Honda pads are the way to go, even though the Honda dealers prefer to sell EBC, and will order those if you do not specifically request OEM. I imagine they have much better margin on the EBC, since the price they charge is about the same by a only a few dollars.

One thing to point out is the OEM pads come with the phenolic and SS insulators to help keep the caliper cooler. The EBC do not.
Also the EBC pads make more noise than OEM.
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:17 pm

Well Mr sidewinder pilot, not to make myself look daft but what is phenolic and ss insulator, It sounds like they should be on the Enterprise (beam me up Scotty) but joking aside whichever brand I have used in the past I've noticed very little to no difference. As regards being noisier with a full face helmet and ear plugs the noise increase is probably negligible, but as I've said before it's your choice I personally don't wish to buy something just because it says Honda, Yamaha etc on the package . Pud.
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:31 pm

I have used Goldfren brake pads in the past and they seemed to work okay, but I fitted, on the front, pads called ALPHA organic. Whatever you do, do NOT buy these pads. My original Honda pads lasted 27,000mls. After 2,000 mls the pads were worn out and beginning to rub on the disc. I am presently running on PYRAMID pads and all seems well.
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:35 pm

Also the EBC pads make more noise than OEM. <<>> Others have complained also, try this with the EBC, used a medium flat bastard file and slightly chamber the EDGES, just enough to knock the square edge back a bit,, it seems for what ever reason to help cut the noise.
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:56 pm

Clarification;

Phenolic is a type of material made of glass reinforced epoxy
SS is how lazy typists indicate Stainless Steel in the context of material descriptions
(not to be confused with Super Sport)

The insulator is probably not actual phenolic, but that's an easier way to describe it because it resembles that material somewhat. I assume the Honda material is much more heat resistant due to being in contact with the metal back of the pad.

The stainless steel piece attaches the insulator to the pad and distributes the force from the caliper.
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Tue Feb 13, 2018 4:50 pm

oldwingguy wrote:
The only other comment is when deviating from stock OEM is to make sure the pad compound  (hardness ) matches the OEM../snipped/.. rotor hardness and pad hardness combinations are important.

Good point, well made bud Happy Holiday
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:00 am

Something I've noted over the years is disc rotor wear is much higher with aftermarket hard compound and sintered pads, oem pads will keep actual disc wear to the minimum. Pads are cheaper than buying disc rotors. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:52 am

GeoffM wrote:
Something I've noted over the years is disc rotor wear is much higher with aftermarket hard compound and sintered pads, oem pads will keep actual disc wear to the minimum. Pads are cheaper than buying disc rotors. Smile

Very important point Geoff. Thank you.

I managed to "wear out" a front rotor on my '03 S/Wing due to EBC pads. Because, as Sidewinder Pilot referred to, above, that's what the guy at the dealer's parts counter sold me. Now I keep a spare set of OEM pads in the shed.

Tim
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:25 pm

I have had good service with both OEM and EBC brake pads. One thing to consider is sintered (metallic) vs. organic pads. Sintered pads are excellent and give a bit more braking effort compared to the pressure needed on the brake lever, great for high performance use. On the down side is more wear occurs to the brake disk and with organic. Organic pads work well for normal use and are easier on the brake rotors. I prefer the organics, been using EBC organics for several years on my previous Goldwings. The weight of the Goldwing, aproaching half a ton with one rider puts their brakes to the test. I found organic EBCs or OEM (also organic) worked well for my riding style. If I wanted to push my bike to its limits on every curve like a lot of sport bike riders then I'd go with sintered pads, but I ride conservatively (most of the time) so use organics which provide good braking, reasonable life and provide longer rotor life.
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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:23 pm

Some aftermarket pads are JUST slightly smaller on pad surface this wears rotor at edges and leaves a ridge on rotors . Compound of pads could also be the problem but OEM seem to last a long time without damaging rotors.

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PostSubject: Re: Brake pads   Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:52 pm

One thing a lot of folks don't think about when comparing brake life is riding habits. Some come up to stops and brake harder than those who downshift and slow before coming to that stop. Using both brakes to stop when stopping in a straight line such as at an intersection helps with brake life. Obviously one shouldn't hit the front brakes hard in a curve or on dicey road surfaces but it's not a good idea to under-use the front brakes either. ABS brakes also help with brake life because used properly they will even out the brake use automatically if used properly. Proper use of ABS requires one to apply both brakes firmly and let the ABS keep the bike stopping in a straight line. It takes awhile for old geezers like me to trust the ABS but after over 100,000 miles on ABS bikes I wouldn't own another bike without ABS.
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