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PostSubject: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:13 am

Hi and hello to all on here.

I bought a 2007 silverwing in June, great bike overall, but as I suffer from Arthritis I would do with smoothing out the bumps on our small and poor roads.

It has standard shocks, but I want to upgrade to either Hagons or Ikons if possible at some point.

Anyone tried either please.

It has had Hyperpro front fork springs fitted as well with 30W oil a few years ago.

I was going to get them out and try 10w or even 7.5 w oil but not had chance yet.

Does anyone with these have any thoughts please.

Or used thinner oil etc.

The handling is great overall but as its for mainly rural poor roads its a bit too shocky if you will coming through the bars.

Many thanks SWD


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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:40 am

Hello mate, on this forum where the majority owners are American, many seem to think you need to fit a set of HyperPro fork springs anyway for 'blasting through the twisties' and all that nonsense. You're probably the only one that has them fitted by and thinks they're rubbish.

Obviously some of us on here already know your concerns from your similar posts on the Muppets. I've no idea if you have a copy of the Boy's Own Bumper Book Of The Silver Wing, I've just looked at mine and in there it says the recommended fork fluid is Pro Honda Suspension Fluid SS-8. A quick search shows that it's 10w. So draining out that heavier 30w oil for the Honda stuff or an off the shelf 10w fork oil may be all you need to do.

By the way I still have no idea where those dodgy roads are over your neck of the woods, I've ridden over to Whitby, Robin Hood's Bay, Filey, Ravenscar etc, and they're just normal roads.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:58 am

I actually think the handling is great with them overall as stated above , but on smaller poor roads, and we have plenty its pretty grim at the front road shocks coming through wise and other people have experianced that harshness with Hyperpro`s on poor surfaces.

As can be seen they were unfortunately installed with too thick oil to start with.

The roads you mention are pretty good ones compared to the small ones I`m struggling with.

No one needs to reply to my posts and asking for peoples experiances etc if it bothers them.

Friendly chat and experiances is what its all about in biking.

I met a fellow scooter rider yesterday out this way and he commented on the poor bumpy roads and he did`nt even get on to the small really bad ones at all.

I suffer from very severe and progressive Arthritis so every little bit of advice and shared experiance etc might help me keep biking for a few more years so thank you in advance anyone.

Before I start trying to change anything as it will be very painful to do, its worth seeing if just maybe what is the best option out there so I don`t need to redo things.

It may be a trip back to standard springs etc.

Thanks in advance for any advice etc.

Best SWD.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:08 am

As Meldrew said try changing the fork oil to the 10w, easier than changing the shocks and it will give you  a chance to see if that will suit your needs. I don't know what transmission fluid is weight wise but some I've known have tried that, me? I stick with fork oil.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Aug 25, 2017 7:29 am

Hi thanks I am planning to change to 10w fork oil as got some good advice elsewhere.

I did ask hyperpro and they said don`t go below 15 if you can help it.

So hoping someone on here has run them with lower W oil before I do anything.

I am trying to pin down what will work before the in outs etc.

If anyone has them fitted with 10W fork oil be great to hear how they are on poor roads please in advance of all the bending etc.

Also are Hagon rear shocks or Ikons much of a step up comfort wise over stock ones please.

Thanks SWD
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:11 am

Before you ask any more questions, you do know your first post on here should have been introducing yourself to the members of the forum as a matter of courtesy, just like it says at the top of the Home page. Then apart from the Silver Wing owning Muppets that are already on here, the rest have some idea who you are. Just a few lines about yourself and riding experience etc, and be a bit more specific about your location rather than just the UK. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:37 am

Like Meldrew I also ride in the UK and have done over fifty years, I am on my second Silver wing. I have not found it needful to change fluids in anything other than what Honda recommend. Having done forty thousand miles on my first wing and thirty thousand on my present one, I also have the standard shocks etc. I ride mainly on back country roads so where exactly are these terrible roads you encounter?. Also as Meldrew points out it is courtesy to introduce yourself before asking questions.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Aug 25, 2017 12:19 pm

I can only agree with the above comments about the front end, its always going to be a bit harsh over potholes because of the smaller wheel but the fork setup seems fine as standard.
I have however changed the rear shocks to hagons, the originals are fine solo but tended to bottom out two for me on the bumpy bits.
Riding solo the hagons are harsher even on the lowest setting but are better damped and raise the back a little, which is good if you feeling a little excitable.
Hagon adjusters are at the top so its a case to crawling on the floor with a C spanner to adjust them. This is no worse than many other bikes, but the originals are far easier to adjust.
Fitting them? Oh god, that was a mission and a half. Not difficult but there is a lot of plastic to remove to get to the top bolts.
They suit me, my riding style, location and frequent pillion but they might not be for you.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:28 pm

Hi thank you thats great, so Hagons are not a good option for me.

Really appreciate that bit of good wisdom.

I Think its probably better I don`t post on either forum, so job done there.

I love the silverwing and I`ll just enjoy it, and do things when funds and achey bits allow.

Best Wishes.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Aug 25, 2017 2:33 pm

Any pain brought to you riding SilverWing is brought on by the feet forward sitting position---your spine takes the most abuse directly....as there are no foot pegs to help support some of your body weight, no tank to grip with knees----I am on second new SilverWing, ride a fair amount----no amount of changing suspension parts is going to improve overall basic design. After 90,000 SilverWing miles......only change to suspension would be much longer travel, front and rear---which would cover re-design.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Sun Aug 27, 2017 10:33 am

I was`nt sure whether to post on here any more, but 2 really helpful posts, thank you Steve and John, show the value of friendly chit chat etc in our shared interest.

I`ve already handily learned, as I was seriously considering some, that Hagons are not for me ( Thank you Steve ) and also Johns mention of seating/feet position, got me thinking about how I sit and the pressures etc.

After a little experimentation over the last couple of days I`ve found it best on the bumpy bits to not have my feet forward, or down flat, but actually brace them accross the footboard curve if you will, a little on both ( so there is a gap there under your feet, so on your toes and heel) and take some pressure on them, also to actually pull a little on the bars just a say too.

Its really seems to help keep the jarringss down a bit and puts you a little in anticipation of larger jolts if you will, like cattle grids and really bad bumps. And then go for a little feet up luxury on the better roads.

It also pulls your back a little forward of the back rest so that helps too, and I have that 3cm further back than the usual furthest back setting, having moved the brackets and lifted it a little thanks to some very good advice on another forum.

I ride in to the North Yorkshire Moors and Yorkshire Dales in the UK for much of my riding and the roads vary from A roads that are OKish to slightly poorer B roads, then down to the C or maybe even often more like Z roads where they are lumpy and bumpy and very poorly surfaced too.

The things is, its these quiet and a little out of the way roads that offer much less traffic, often hardly any, and the best out of the way views etc. So its very tempting to keep on buzzing down them even if your a cronky old biker with a cupboard full of cod liver oil ad various anti-inflamatories etc.

This is a great and handy forum with a wealth of experiance on these great scooters.

Just out of interest has anyone tried the Koni Dial a rides on a silverwing ?

But I think for now that different sitting/feet possition and perhaps maybe a Airhawk seat at some point will be a real help.

Its such a shame the Slverwing is not in production now.

But a 2017 registered one popped up last week on ebay here.

Does anyone know if they plan a replacement real Scooterwise. I hope so.

Best SWD. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 am

The north yorkshire and durham dales are my playground too swd so I understand you dilemma.
This weekend swmbo and I are in Moffat, first trip north of the border on the scooter, all the previous trips have been on a motorbike.
Having just had most pleasant ride today; the devils beef tubs, tella and megget reservoirs, mennock pass and the dalveen pass I can safely conclude there is nothing at all wrong with the standard front end setup :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Mon Aug 28, 2017 4:50 am

SILVERWINGDAYS wrote:
I think for now that different sitting/feet possition and perhaps maybe a Airhawk seat at some point will be a real help.

I ride my Silver Wing in the feet forward position just as I have with all my previous maxi scooters over the last 20 years, it's so natural for me. As a long time Airhawk owner, I doubt very much if the Airhawk seat cushion will do much for your particular problem. It's not a substitute for poor suspension, or something you inflate fully like an air bed, or your favourite sex doll.

To inflate an Airhawk you just put a few breaths in it, just enough for a very thin layer of air to act as a buffer between your butt cheeks and the seat. The purpose being relieving pressure points and hot spots on your bottom caused by long hours on the seat. It's just a variation of a air cushion originally developed for wheelchair users.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:16 pm

I'm sorry to say this here, but for the kind of road you describe, the Silver Wing is the wrong bike. Smallish wheels and a lot of unsprung weight in the rear suspension. Not only that, but the seating position sends all the road shocks straight up the spine.

Best to replace it with a mid-weight adventure bike, in my opinion. Honda CB500x, Suzuki DL650, Kawasaki Versys 650, etc. Bigger wheels and lighter suspension components, along with more suspension travel makes a world of difference. I still miss my KLR650 sometimes.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:44 am

Hi Smaug I think you are right, only thing is that getting on and off the SilverwingWing is great compared to a bike.

Last swing over bike I got on it took 2 weeks for my hip to get back to normal-ish.

Its 34 Years of biking all weathers home to roost.

But I just can`t manage with out it. That fix of the throttle etc.

I will admit my last scooter a T Max for 6 years did cope with severe bumps better than the silverwing. Especially two up it was really comfy and bumps absorbing. Just got too high for me.

I went over a particularly bad cattle grid on the silverwing I forgot to ready myself for and the jolt up my spine !!, on the Tmax it was just awkawrd but didn`t transmit like that.

Maybe a very low cruiser is the answer sort of.

But the black silverwing is really addictive and brilliant in so many ways.

So maybe some Ikons and a gel or air seat might help.

But I will say I am getting real trouble with my neck I never got on the T Max.

How on earth would you go about giving up the silverwing engine etc though.

I did think about a Gilera GP800, though very heavy. A less unsprung weight I think.

Thanks for all the help etc. SWD.

PS so would even the best air type shocks etc not do alot for the Silverwing please ? Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:04 pm


Just for a bit of info I called Brooke suspension in Bradford ( UK ) yesterday and talked to a very helpful chap.

I had heard they were good and he was very friendly and seemed to know his stuff.

I asked about Ikons for the silverwing and he said they found the YSS version with damping adjustment are actually better and more corrosion ressitant too.

£340 for a set plus post.

Has anyone used these YSS shocks please.

They also do a cheaper just preload one, still supposed to be pretty good.

Thanks SWD.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:34 pm

SILVERWINGDAYS wrote:

Just for a bit of info I called Brooke suspension in Bradford ( UK ) yesterday and talked to a very helpful chap.

I had heard they were good and he was very friendly and seemed to know his stuff.

I asked about Ikons for the silverwing and he said they found the YSS version with damping adjustment are actually better and more corrosion ressitant too.

£340 for a set plus post.

Has anyone used these YSS shocks please.

They also do a cheaper just preload one, still supposed to be pretty good.

Thanks SWD.
Like most things, if you knew someone who has/had these fitted to a Silver Wing you could make an informed decision based on their experiences wether to spend this much money.  If not, looks like you're going to be the guinea pig.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Sep 01, 2017 4:16 am

Hi Terrier, I was hoping with the large membership here someone would have had a pair of both YSS types, especially the better damped set.

I`ll keep hoping, and planning to buy some in spring 2018.

Oh Blimey, thats the first time I`ve written that actual date/year I think !!!

Best SWD

PS adjusted the original thread heading, to mention YSS shocks.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:04 am

I'm still musing over what that bloke from Brooke Suspension told you about YSS shocks being more corrosion resistant than the OE ones.

I bought my Silver Wing new in November 2010 and here we are a couple of months away from the start of winter 2017, there's no rust or corrosion anywhere on the shocks, and I can adjust both of them from my preferred solo settings to passenger settings without using a C spanner. To me they're just black springed versions of the rear shocks that were OE on the up to 2012 650 Burgmans.

Apart from a couple of members fitting Hagon shocks, I can only remember posts from one member fitting a set of high end rear shocks from a US suspension company that used his Silver Wing as a test bed.
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PostSubject: Re: Front and Rear Grief !!! Ouch. YSS Shocks ???   Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:30 am

Hi, it was more corrosion resisatant than the Ikon ones we were were talking about at the time.

I can say when I got Koni Dial a rides at the time on to my VX800 in 99 ( Yee gods, how it goes ) the upgrade in comfort and handling etc was amazing.

He said they felt the YSS ones were better.

But having had a good mooch about online I have read a few posts where the the YSS ones have popped.

Getting Gel added in to the seat or just buying a gel seat pad or air one might be as good an option anyway as I`d say the Silverwing rear shocks are certainly a little better than the VX800 ones were.

If my back and neck discs ( etc ) were in less trouble it wouldn`t be an issue really.

Best SWD.

PS my middle son just got a Hagon Mono shock new for his 2009 Honda varadero 125 and very impressed with the quality of that.
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