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Bernardo Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 250 Age: 44 Location: Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom Points: 813 Registration date: 2008-12-25
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:24 pm | |
| On a final note, I recently changed the tyres on my Yamaha 900 Diversion...... And guess what... I now have a wobble at much the same speed as the S'wing, though no problem unless you let go of the handlebars, or if you just have one hand on the bars you notice it a bit more...... The tyres are properly balenced, tyre pressure OK, and the handling of the bike is now super improved to what it used to be.... A mere gentle pressure on the handlebars initiates a lean and it seems with far less "turning" or "steering" effect of the handlebars to get around those corners. It's like riding on rubber marbles rather than tyres.....! I reckon that the wobble is due to the fact that with new tyres with a full curved profile (and quite a flat one at that) as opposed to a worn tyre's squared off one have more room to allow the wheel to oscillate at that critical speed.
The tyres are by Maxxis and a fair bit cheaper than the competition..... £125 for a pair. (17 inch VR rated) That is a good £20 to £80 cheaper than any of the other top brands (Pirelli, Bridgestone, Metzeler, Dunlop, Michelin etc) They are superb! It's like riding a different bike...... Will have to see if they make them to fit my S'wing when my Michelin front and bridgestone rear wear out.... _________________ Happy Riding! Best wishes, Bernardo
Nurture faith, hope, and tolerance in the human condition. Live in the moment! Remember, your future potential is only as free as your own prejudice and perception.
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|  | | jdeereanton Site Admin

Number of posts: 1039 Age: 53 Location: Huntsville, AL Points: 1649 Registration date: 2008-12-24
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:31 pm | |
| _________________ Dale Huntsville, AL 2 x 2005 - Hers & HisBoots, socks, underwear, pants, t-shirt, jacket, gloves, & helmet. http://www.youtube.com/user/jdeereantonPlease vote for me to become the emperor of permissible thought and opinion. My campaign slogan: "Think Like Me OR ELSE"
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|  | | Bernardo Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 250 Age: 44 Location: Buckinghamshire, United Kingdom Points: 813 Registration date: 2008-12-25
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Sat Jul 04, 2009 9:30 am | |
| Woah... That must have been one wobble.....! But best of all is reading about how everything turned out OK and no-one hurt..... It goes to show that it pays to be careful about ones tyres and check them frequently. Thanks for sending in the pictures... _________________ Happy Riding! Best wishes, Bernardo
Nurture faith, hope, and tolerance in the human condition. Live in the moment! Remember, your future potential is only as free as your own prejudice and perception.
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|  | | snowbird Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 1 Points: 514 Registration date: 2009-04-08
 | Subject: Wobble Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:11 pm | |
| I have put new Hyper Pro progressive springs in the front end and new tires and it still has not cured the problem. The dealer in Mechanicsburg Pa. says that they can't do anymore about it and I have now contacted Honda HQ's. I am going to have another dealer look at it and then Honda can decide what they want to do. I will keep you filled in. |
|  | | TimPSh Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 3 Points: 432 Registration date: 2009-07-01
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Sun Jul 12, 2009 7:23 pm | |
| Thank you! I'm just about ready to contact Honda myself. I'm waiting on new Michelin tires to try and then see about it. I don't even want to ride the bike anymore - it's gotten so bad. Thank you! |
|  | | JeffR Site Admin

Number of posts: 1321 Age: 51 Location: Fremont, Ca Points: 1888 Registration date: 2008-12-20
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Sun Jul 12, 2009 9:22 pm | |
| Dale, That is sure some defect. I'm glad no one was injured at all. What kind of tires are you going to use now. I use the Pirelli Diablo and really like them. This is my second set after the stock Hoops. Good luck. _________________ Ride safe,
JeffR
2007 Silver Wing (30,000 miles) 2005 Majesty 400 (sold 12,500 miles) 2004 Reflex (sold 3,500 miles)
Givi Windshield, top case, vista cruise, power commander, dr pulley sliders, air hawk seat pad, (J. Costa not installed now), kevlar belt
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|  | | jdeereanton Site Admin

Number of posts: 1039 Age: 53 Location: Huntsville, AL Points: 1649 Registration date: 2008-12-24
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:07 am | |
| Jeff,
We have Hoops on them now front and rear. I have always been satisfied with the Hoops and the only reason we used the Dunlops was availability. At the time we installed them we just could not get hoops at all. _________________ Dale Huntsville, AL 2 x 2005 - Hers & HisBoots, socks, underwear, pants, t-shirt, jacket, gloves, & helmet. http://www.youtube.com/user/jdeereantonPlease vote for me to become the emperor of permissible thought and opinion. My campaign slogan: "Think Like Me OR ELSE" |
|  | | Pete H Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 49 Location: San Antonio, TX. Points: 581 Registration date: 2009-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:05 pm | |
| | Bernardo wrote: | Hi there,
My S'wing was recently suffering from a wobble, so I did a little bit of research and have had it minimised with heavier bar end weights....
I had noticed after my wheels had been powder coated several months ago, and with a new rear tyre, that at 25-35mph I could feel a wee wobble through the handlebars. I had felt it before, but it was only just noticeable, and not a problem. However the scoot is to all intensive purposes fine, wheels balenced, correct tyre pressures, and even with that gloopy tyre sealant in, I could still feel this damn wobble.... Yet at any speed other than 25-35mph, I can take both hands off the handlebars no problems, even at 90mph, (though I don't keep my hands off for long at that speed!). I do however have odd tyres, a michelin pilot sport on the front, and a bridgestone hoop on the back. |
I know all about that !@#$%^&* wobble and I've got some bad news for you. If your SilverWing has over 75,000 miles or 120,000 kilometers on it there is going to be some wobble between 25 mph and 35 mph or 40 kph and 55 kph no matter what! |
|  | | DennisB Site Admin

Number of posts: 1346 Age: 60 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 2173 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:58 pm | |
| Hi Pete, Bearings....after that many miles. It would be a good thing to look into. Do you have a shop manual to read? Also check your brake rotors to be sure they are not warped. DennisB |
|  | | Pete H Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 49 Location: San Antonio, TX. Points: 581 Registration date: 2009-04-01
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Sun Nov 15, 2009 1:40 pm | |
| If you're Silver Wing is over 2 years old and no matter what you do it still has a persistent wobble at 25-35 mph then the teeth in your rear wheel that hold the rear wheel to the drive spline are rusted out. When you bolt a rear wheel with rusted out teeth to your Silver Wing the wheel will bolt on lopsided and cause a wobble at 25-35 mph. The naked eye can not tell the difference so if you suspect that your rear wheel is bolted on lopsided then put your Silver Wing on the center stand stand then rev it up. If the rear wheel bounces up and down at high speeds then that means that it is bolted on lopsided and it is the sole cause of your wobble. The only thing you can do buy a new rear wheel for $418. Before you spend that much money mosey on over to the Honda place and ask them to inspect your rear wheel teeth to see if they are rotted out and untrue. If they are rusted out then your rear wheel will always bolt on lopsided now how much you try to bolt it on straight. Have the Honda place put a new rear wheel on to the drive spline and ask them to replace any bearings if needed. If you ever take the rear wheel of yourself then when you bolt it back on to the drive spline coat it with lots and lots of axle grease to help prevent rust in the future. |
|  | | DennisB Site Admin

Number of posts: 1346 Age: 60 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 2173 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Sun Nov 15, 2009 2:58 pm | |
| Hi Pete,
What a Bummer! Sounds like somewhere in the bikes history a pressure washer was used on the scooter and water got into places that it should not be. That happens all the time. Pressure washers should be avoided at all cost when cleaning the scooter. _________________ DennisB - 2008 Silverwing Owner - Forum Moderator  Favorite quotation: "Lord, we give you Curly. Try not to piss him off". |
|  | | crahar Super Scooter Rider


Number of posts: 208 Age: 62 Location: Beaumont, Texas Points: 586 Registration date: 2009-08-31
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:29 am | |
|  The only wobble I have is me not the Swing, that may change as I am having new hoops installed. ya'll got me worried now! Maybe should have kept the old ones even with the cuts across the center of the tires. |
|  | | jimjotel Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 57 Age: 60 Location: atlanta ga. Points: 343 Registration date: 2009-12-01
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:10 pm | |
| the only time i had a problem with wobble was when i had my rear tire replaced while on a trip. i was in decatur ill. and noticed the rear tire needed replaced as i was heading back to georgia and rain was predicted. i stopped at the local honda shop in decatur and purchased a new rear tire. on the way back never felt anything thru illinois due to the crappy roads, but as soon as i got kentucky i felt the wobble. when i got home i called the dealership in decatur ill. and found out that they dont balance SCOOTER TIRES, lol, had the tire balanced in georgia where i bought it and it is fine. if you are ever in decatur ill. please avoid the honda dealership there for your own safety. |
|  | | DennisB Site Admin

Number of posts: 1346 Age: 60 Location: Glenpool, Oklahoma Points: 2173 Registration date: 2008-12-28
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:33 pm | |
| Jim, That sounds like some sound advice. _________________ DennisB - 2008 Silverwing Owner - Forum Moderator  Favorite quotation: "Lord, we give you Curly. Try not to piss him off". |
|  | | exavid Super Scooter Rider

Number of posts: 252 Age: 67 Location: Medford, Oregon Points: 692 Registration date: 2009-07-18
 | Subject: Re: Wobble Steering Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:38 pm | |
| I balance my own tires on my GW and plan to on my SW. It's pretty simple to hand balance the tires. On the front tire you can do it by removing the brake caliper from the wheel so it can turn freely when the front of the bike is blocked up off the floor a bit. Just give it a spin, mark the top with chalk when it stops and do it a few more times. Stick a 1/4oz. weight to the middle of the area where the chalk marks cluster and spin again. Once you find the chalk marks ending up randomly around the tire it's in balance. I do the same with the rear wheel by making a U shaped balancing stand out of a couple 2X4s with notches in the upper ends. Sit the stand with the upper ends upward, sit the axles in the notches with the wheel clear of the wood uprights and balance the same way as you did the front wheel. This method is accurate enough that I have no vibration in my GW at 100+mph. You can usually get wheel weights from tire stores. I usually go to Les Schwab tire stores and ask if I can buy a few weights. If you only want half a dozen or so usually they'll give you a handful. _________________ Big 'Wing: Goldwing 1800, Little 'Wing Silverwing 600 If you can't ride it, fly it, or sail it why bother?
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