Hello folks I have looked for two days to find a place to purchase A Dr Pulley HiT clutch 251706 for my Swing but keep coming up short . I have reread every thread on the forum three times and have ben unsuccessful in finding a buy it now. Helllllllllllllllllp

Thanks Honda -Silver I saw the info and email of Paul Wu but I thought that was for tech help I did not know that he had a retail outlet.

Hi Chief

If you need any how-to or tweaking info when you get your new HiT Clutch contact me via PM.

I've had my HiT Clutch since summer and have had the "opportunity" to remove & reinstall it several times.

Paul Wu of Union Material (Dr Pulley) is the go-to guy for ordering and follow-up tech info.

As I remember, he shipped my Clutch kit via DHL and it arrived at my door in less than a week. The kit also comes with an extra selection (your choice of weights) of variator Sliders and/or Rollers sets.

Good luck

Tim
'03 Silverwing, Cosmic JUmper
Philadelphia

Tim thanks a lot for the offer of help on the clutch. I have ran into something interesting. While trying to find a distributor to order the Dr Pulley I talked to a shop owner in Springfield Missouri. He has a garage that speializes scooter and motorcycles and does a lot of clutch work. In conversation with him about ordering he ask me what was wrong with the clutch I have now. I explained that I was wanting one that was quicker on take off and his reply was the stock one was a quality clutch and to bring it in and we would change the rollers and springs. I thanked him and said I would get back. I wanted to put this out to the forum and get some input.

Chief, I was also talking to the Honda mechanic at my local dealer about tweaking the stock clutch and he said the same thing. The stock clutch is a very high quality unit and a little tweaking with a stronger springs such as a malossi would be all that is necessary if I wanted a quicker take off. Much cheaper option.

Chief Rider wrote:

.... wanting one that was quicker on take off and his reply was the stock one was a quality clutch and to bring it in and we would change the rollers and springs.

I sure wouldn't argue with that reasoning. It's definitely a whole lot cheaper than the HiT Kit, and if upgrading the springs to Malossi's gives you the increased clutch performance you need then you're good to go.

Changing the variator rollers to lighter weight rollers or sliders will give you the most bang for your buck and most noticeable performance increase. However, you'll still need to get that performance increase thru the clutch. IMHO the OEM clutch is the weak link in the performance chain. I opted to go with Dr Pulley's HiT Clutch, but that is not to say that upgrading the OEM unit with Malossi springs also give a big improvement too.

FWIW, I've got two sets of new Dr Pulley Rollers (26 gm and 24 gm) in factory sealed packs available FS.

Whichever way you go, please post how things work out for you.

Tim
'03 Silverwing, Cosmic Jumper
Philadelphia

Chief Rider wrote:

The input from others here on this site is invaluable. If I can achieve the results that I want by altering the Honda clutch it will be great, if not then I will purchase a Dr. Pulley. I am a little hesitant to spend 400.00 plus on China made parts because my exposure to China made bikes and scooters have not been positive. My experience with Honda has a long track record of high quality and many trouble free miles so I am prejudiced. When I get off work in two weeks the testing will begin and I will keep good records so that I can pass on the information and hopefully save others time and money. Thanks for supplying the info on available springs I will keep them in mind. Till then thanks again David V.

Chief

Not to minimise your concern about parts quality, but the Dr Pulley stuff comes from Taiwan, not China. Huge difference in quality over Chinese crap.

Kymco, the Taiwan corp has been making (some) Honda engines and other components for decades. And the Kymco scoots sold here in the US are very good quality both design & dependability wise.

Tim

I looked at some Kimco's at STO and they looked great. I also talked to some owners that put a lot of miles on them and they were happy. I am glad that I was misinformed as to the origin of the Dr. Pulley clutch and like you my experience with products coming out of Taiwan has been good. Thanks for the info because when I try springs and sliders or rolers I will check as to the origin. David V.

Based on my experience with the rollers in both my Helix and Silverwing, I believe that Dr. Pulley makes quality products that are noticeably better than stock roller weights although I can't speak with any experience on the hit clutch though as I have used only Malossi on both the Helix and soon to be on the swing.

As to the Honda Clutch with added springs, the stronger springs will force the clutch to engage at higher RPM and should definitely help the take off. If your bike has some mileage on it, and you suspect that you have a good degree of clutch wear, a new clutch such as the malossi might be a good investment. I've recently purchased a Malossi Fly Clutch and I have read that they are supposedly a good bit lighter than the stock clutch which should help in reducing rotating mass (If anyone happens to have a stock clutch and can weigh it, I will weigh the malossi and we can compare to verify the claim). In addition to the malossi clutch, I purchased a set of the racing springs and installed the heaviest red springs in the clutch (This was a butt of a job until I figured out the best tool and method to use and I will document this at a later date in the tutorials along with the clutch install as soon as I finish the job when it WARMS UP!) As soon as I get a good day... I will install the new clutch on the Swing. The hit clutch reviews have been really good but it also seems like there is a lot of adjustment to get it perfect. The malossi supposedly works beautiful right out of the box and is much cheaper. Perhaps adding the stiffer springs as I have will give it comparable results to the hit clutch. I suspect most who install the Malossi probably leave the factory white springs in and never bother to change them thus lowering the RPM engagement. Before I install the Malossi clutch, I am going to run a quarter mile and 0-60 using GPS & Timer to see what difference is made. I hope I get good results.

Chief..... I've got an extra set of brand new white springs which are stronger than stock but not as strong as the red ones. If you would like them... PM me and I'll get them to you.

Unless you're drag racing I would think you'd want the clutch to begin to engage at the same RPMs as stock. But I would like it to bite a little harder than stock at that same engine speed. Just a little, or it would tend to "kill" the engine just like you popped a manual clutch too quickly.

On second thought, I suppose more "bite" pretty much has to be accompanied by a higher engagement RPM.

Hmmm......I don't want to wreck driveability in busy traffic. Better leave well enough alone in the clutch department. The HiT seems to be plenty adjustable, but will provide more solid engagement at higher revs. That might be the ticket. The Malossi sounds like more of a "racer's" clutch, and that isn't what I'm looking for.

The Malossi isn't necessarily a racing clutch. It can be if you want it to be. It basically comes down to the springs that you use in the clutch. It can be set up to engage at a slightly higher RPM (which is how it comes in the package) to a wilder and higher RPM by using any of the 3 sets of additional springs that you can purchase for it. The springs are the only adjustment for this particular clutch. I've installed my springs (the stiff reds) but am still waiting for a nice day to switch the clutches out. If we can get a day in the upper 40's to low 50's, I'll get the job done and report the results. If it makes the bike extremely "twitchy" and overly responsive, I will probably go to a milder spring (medium yellow or soft white). I definitely would like to see a good improvement over stock though. I used the red springs on my Helix when I changed clutches in it a few years back. It did make a nice improvement and it was not overly responsive. Then again...... the helix pumps out about 20 ponies as compared to about 50 for the swing so that is definitely an apples to oranges comparison so I can't make the same conclusion until the job is done and tested. What is interesting, is that the malossi clutch for the Helix could have the shoes adjusted in addition to the springs whereas the clutch for Swing is non-adjustable except for the springs. I am curious as to why Malossi has done this and have looked at other boards but can find no info on the topic.